B16's aren't so bad after all

[Kurt_W]

Well, if you're looking for technical observations, you best stop reading now. Well, it’s getting more technical then planed...

Anyway, the CRX has been resurrected (its the month of the mostly red car around here.)

Current spec's are as follows:
1988 CRX Si sorta Rio Red
B16A (1st gen) w/ non-LSD S1 transmission
OBD1 conversion with chipped P28
KYB AGX shocks and Ground control coilovers
Thermal catback
Misc other stuff
Crappy Sumitoma (sp) tires

Now, after driving it with my ghetto, eyeballed front-end alignment, I’m pretty impressed with the car. Up until now I had never driven a B16 CRX and its been 2 years since I’ve driven a CRX, but this one seems really quick. Its amusing that the wheels break loose when VTEC engages in first…must be really crappy tires.

I dunno, I don’t fit in the car at all but oh well, seems like it will be pretty cool.

Sorry, that’s terribly disjointed. Have fun with this post I guess.

Kurt

[Feedman]

Cool....so did you do the work yourself, or pick it up already swapped...? 8)

[Kurt_W]

You're kidding right? ;)

Actually, I bought the car with the swap already done. That was big mistake. The car was partly done when I got it, but as I worked on it I found little problems, which turned into big problems which snowballed into...well, you get the point.

Needless to say, I might as well have started out with the car and did the swap from the beginning, at least that way it would have likely been done and running correctly after about a month, instead of the 6 months its taken to get it drivable.

In short, I got a pile of parts, took them all apart, sorted them, replaced half of them and then stuck it all back in and now it runs.

High idle though, as there is not Fast Idle controller on the TB, which is annoying.

[Feedman]

vacuum leak maybe affecting the high idle....?

Sounds cool, why don't you bring it next time we are together... 8)

[Kurt_W]

I wish it was as easy as a vacuum leak. I don't know how they did it on the A2's but the old A's had a Fast Idle controller on the bottom of the throttle body. Somewhere along the line a previous owner of the engine removed that controller...probably because they didn't want the TB to be heated. I'm going to try to find another FIC but I don't know if I can use one off a different engine or not. Some Z6 parts look similiar so I'm going to check that out this Saturday.

[Feedman]

I don't believe I am familiar with the "a6"?

Alot of B series parts are interchangable, but the only odd thing is that the b18c1 intake parts are alot different than any other b series....I think one off an a2 would work fine, and are a dime a dozen on eBay... 8)

[Kurt_W]

A6 (though I didn't mention it ;) ) is the stock engine in the old 88-91 CRX/Civic Si's and 90-91 4dr EX. Designation was D16A6: MPFI SOHC non-VTEC w/ 108 hp and approx 100 ftlb. Not a horrible slouch, but no powerhouse either.

Z6: D16Z6: stock engine in 92-95 Civic EX/Si and del Sol Si. 125 hp and approx 100 ftlb. Common engine replaced by the D16Y8 engine in 96.

I've actually got an ITR intake manifold on the engine, but it still has the old B16A throttle body, and the piece I'm missing is attached to the throttle body.

From the looks of the TB, I should be able to use a Z6 part on it...I am wondering if I can bolt a F22/F23 TB to the ITR manifold, though aside the addition of the FIC, there may be no benefits.

[Feedman]

A6 (though I didn't mention it ;) ) is the stock engine in the old 88-91 CRX/Civic Si's and 90-91 4dr EX. Designation was D16A6: MPFI SOHC non-VTEC w/ 108 hp and approx 100 ftlb. Not a horrible slouch, but no powerhouse either.

Z6: D16Z6: stock engine in 92-95 Civic EX/Si and del Sol Si. 125 hp and approx 100 ftlb. Common engine replaced by the D16Y8 engine in 96.

I've actually got an ITR intake manifold on the engine, but it still has the old B16A throttle body, and the piece I'm missing is attached to the throttle body.

From the looks of the TB, I should be able to use a Z6 part on it...I am wondering if I can bolt a F22/F23 TB to the ITR manifold, though aside the addition of the FIC, there may be no benefits.

I didn't know the A6, never got into crx's that much. I did have a 94 Ex, so I am very familair with the d16z6....I would be more than happy to take the Itr mani off your hands...would do me very good...if I can come up with another a2 manifold for ya...would you consider a trade....?

You can check, but I don't beleive the z6 and a2 have universal parts...only b series items to the best of my knowledge. 8)

[ben2000formula]

B series parts must be kept with b series engines.

i think that you might be thinking of the z6 being interchangable with the d16a6 from the crx si. maybe?

[Kurt_W]

It all depends on the part. There are many interchangable parts on Hondas/Acuras as many were based on similiar platforms. You are both correct in stating that engine parts are generally specific to one series or engines or the other. However, engine electronics and such are more general in application. That being said, I am already running a Z6 IAC (intake air control valve) on the ITR manifold with no problems.

From a quick look through the Honda/Acura parts database, all 95 Civics (non-CX) and all Integras used the same FIC, so I may be in luck for finding one easily.

[Feedman]

That is correct. I have heard of people mixing and matching parts from different series. Just not as common with the newer cars as it used to be, b/c of Obd0---->ObII and the new K series.....makes finding correct parts a little more difficult. 8)

[daveb91]

A6 (though I didn't mention it ;) ) is the stock engine in the old 88-91 CRX/Civic Si's and 90-91 4dr EX. Designation was D16A6: MPFI SOHC non-VTEC w/ 108 hp and approx 100 ftlb. Not a horrible slouch, but no powerhouse either.


Hey how dare you say that! :cry: There are Bseries parts that will fit D series you can even use the rods but they have to be resleaved or bored out cant remember right now. The a6 is still enough motor for the weight of the crx to run with most cars and it responds to bolt on very well due to obd0.

[RallyEX]

Glad to hear you got it running kurt, can't wait to see it. We need to have a little mini-B16 meet and do some ecu swapping.

Mine still needs help... blah! Will hopefully get to work on it a bit this weekend.

[Kurt_W]

Lol, I can make fun of D-series because I have both ;) Though if I had my druthers, I'd ahve a B18b in my HB, should I decide to keep it.

Anyway, I pulled the FIC off the HB last night and put it on the B16; it didn't affect the idle at all. Idle is still at 1500 rpm +/- 100 rpm. Sooo...I'm going to ignore it and drive it like that. Maybe someone at the Niagara meet can figure out the issue for me.

Hey Tim, you going to the auto-x this weekend?

[Feedman]

I have had both, and although I liked my little D series....I love the B series, I mean who wouldn't. Its cool to build a D , but since swaps are so readily available, why not...ya know? 8)

[xjoewhitex]

Wow that seems like your doing a bunch of work to that car. But i bet its gonna be sweet tho, glad you got it runnin. :D