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[masakari]

Robbie nelson linked up with me over at buschurs forums and told me to swing by here..I live in belpre and have been looking for a good group of people locally interested in imports...ive probably seen some of you out there

anyway, just wnated to check in and say hi
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[Zerocool_Designs]

welcome to the "club." I hope you like Xbox and Applebees :wink:

[RobbieNelson]

welcome to the "club." I hope you like Xbox and Applebees :wink:

I tried, without any success, to change the venue last night.

Steven, when are you going to show up for a gathering?

[masakari]

halo 2 works for me...can we upgrade to the outback???
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[RobbieNelson]

halo 2 works for me...can we upgrade to the outback???

There are a bunch of us that play on XBOX Live... Halo 2

Some of us are to "poe" to eat at Outback. Applebees has 1/2 price appetizers on Thursdays; that's why we go there. Though, I'd be up for the Outback.

[Davis Silver Sti]

Hi and welcome.

Imports, domestics, AutoX, xbox, food...yea that's movFast :lol:

[masakari]

where do you guys go to autox at?
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[RobbieNelson]

where do you guys go to autox at?

Here: http://www.swvrscca.org

Charleston, WV basically

[Zerocool_Designs]

welcome to the "club." I hope you like Xbox and Applebees :wink:

I tried, without any success, to change the venue last night.

Steven, when are you going to show up for a gathering?

Sorry, but I'm only in town on the weekends, so the Applebees meets are out of the question, as for the xbox meets, well I don't know why I don't show up. (Don't want to embarrass you guys in halo :wink: ) But, I'll be in town this weekend, and I'll be probably be in vienna friday and saturday nights though.

[Feedman]

Glad to have you buddy, what is your ride?

:cool:

[RobbieNelson]

Glad to have you buddy, what is your ride?

:cool:

Soon to be 97 talon tsi owner!


I am new to the DSM world, i use to be a big trans am guy untill a year ago when i was educated in the ways of the turbo charged 4 cylinder...staring at the tail lights of a eclipse gsx that blew the doors off of my 02 TA...i was fascinated and started searching for an eclipse of my own...on the path to finding the eclipse i discovered that the eagle talon was basically the same car and i liked the body lines of the talon better...well long story short...i found my talon today on ebay and just purchased it...i am on my way to pick it up december 1st...the list of mods this car has done to it as far as the turbo setup is concernedis jibberish to me, can someone put this in laymans terms? im especially interested in what the turbo controllers do, the greddy and the Apex-I S-AFC...i get the feelign i bit off more then i can chew

Exterior-
Vis Carbonfiber Hood (not in Pic)
ADR DV-8 17" Rims
Kuhmo Ventura 215/45/17 tires
Eibach Pro Springs
Sprint Alignment kit(ball joint type Front)
Clear Corners
Tint all the way around, 5% on the back and sides, 20% on the doors
Xenon Hyper white headlight
Shaved emblems

Interior-
Autometer Boost Gauge
Autometer EGT Gauge
Greddy Turbo Timer
Apex-I S-AFC
Samborski Shift kit
Pocket Logger
Kenwood Excellon Head unit with Sirius Tuner and antenna

Engine-
BJ's Cylinder head stage 3 head with plished and swirled over sized valves, 3 angle valve job, port and polish intake side to match the 1g intake, crower titanium valve spring retainers, 3g lifters, new valve guides, and crower valve springs
HKS 272 intake and exhaust cams
Fidonza Cam gears
Metal head gasket
1g throttle body
extruded and honed 1g intake manifold
650cc Denso injectors
Apexi front mount intercooler
Shep racing Transmission
Fidonza Alum. Fly wheel (with act street disc clutch, stock pressure plate)
Billet shift forks
4 spider center dif.
torrington bearing, with galant vr4 first gear
ss break lines(not installed)
ss clutch line(not installed)
Goodyear gatorback belts
Brembo cross drilled and slotted rotors(Back only)
1g fuel rail
new 3g lifters
Dejon Tools upper intercooler pipe
HKS SSQ BOV
Injen Intake Pipe
K&N FIPK
RRE DownPipe, long, 3"(No Cat)
Apex-I N-1 3" exhaust
Evo 3 Exhaust Manifold
Evo 3 O2 Housing
Turbocharges.com T-28 Eliminator with Big 16G cartridge and TD05 Exhaust housing (around 10k miles on turbo)
Walboro 255 Intank Fuel pump
Hallman Manual Boost Controller

Isn't GOOGLE great!

[Feedman]

I can't read...I need pics.....:cool:

j/k...sounds like a nice ride....:cool:

[Jay]

Glad to have you buddy, what is your ride?

:cool:

Soon to be 97 talon tsi owner!


I am new to the DSM world, i use to be a big trans am guy untill a year ago when i was educated in the ways of the turbo charged 4 cylinder...staring at the tail lights of a eclipse gsx that blew the doors off of my 02 TA...i was fascinated and started searching for an eclipse of my own...on the path to finding the eclipse i discovered that the eagle talon was basically the same car and i liked the body lines of the talon better...well long story short...i found my talon today on ebay and just purchased it...i am on my way to pick it up december 1st...the list of mods this car has done to it as far as the turbo setup is concernedis jibberish to me, can someone put this in laymans terms? im especially interested in what the turbo controllers do, the greddy and the Apex-I S-AFC...i get the feelign i bit off more then i can chew

Exterior-
Vis Carbonfiber Hood (not in Pic)
ADR DV-8 17" Rims
Kuhmo Ventura 215/45/17 tires
Eibach Pro Springs
Sprint Alignment kit(ball joint type Front)
Clear Corners
Tint all the way around, 5% on the back and sides, 20% on the doors
Xenon Hyper white headlight
Shaved emblems

Interior-
Autometer Boost Gauge
Autometer EGT Gauge
Greddy Turbo Timer
Apex-I S-AFC
Samborski Shift kit
Pocket Logger
Kenwood Excellon Head unit with Sirius Tuner and antenna

Engine-
BJ's Cylinder head stage 3 head with plished and swirled over sized valves, 3 angle valve job, port and polish intake side to match the 1g intake, crower titanium valve spring retainers, 3g lifters, new valve guides, and crower valve springs
HKS 272 intake and exhaust cams
Fidonza Cam gears
Metal head gasket
1g throttle body
extruded and honed 1g intake manifold
650cc Denso injectors
Apexi front mount intercooler
Shep racing Transmission
Fidonza Alum. Fly wheel (with act street disc clutch, stock pressure plate)
Billet shift forks
4 spider center dif.
torrington bearing, with galant vr4 first gear
ss break lines(not installed)
ss clutch line(not installed)
Goodyear gatorback belts
Brembo cross drilled and slotted rotors(Back only)
1g fuel rail
new 3g lifters
Dejon Tools upper intercooler pipe
HKS SSQ BOV
Injen Intake Pipe
K&N FIPK
RRE DownPipe, long, 3"(No Cat)
Apex-I N-1 3" exhaust
Evo 3 Exhaust Manifold
Evo 3 O2 Housing
Turbocharges.com T-28 Eliminator with Big 16G cartridge and TD05 Exhaust housing (around 10k miles on turbo)
Walboro 255 Intank Fuel pump
Hallman Manual Boost Controller

Isn't GOOGLE great!

holy crap that's what youve got..
lemme know any time youre in town i have got to see this thing 1st hand, it sounds absoultely awesome

[ShortysTRM]

Yeah, I would like to see it, too. I live in WV, so you'd have to bring it to autocross for me to see it....and I'd also like to see what it can do lol. As for the imports thing, you may wanna broaden your horizons. Imports are cool, but so are domestics. This isn't DSMtuners....we all movFast, no matter where the car came from :wink: Come autcross with us and you'll see what I'm talking about. Nothing's more embarassing than getting your ass stomped by a base model Neon lol. Welcome to movFast.

*edit: There's a GS-t coming with us with some decent mods (nowhere near as many as you, though). I always get on DSMtuners to help him with his Eclipse. We could probably learn a lot from you, and you might learn something from us (doubtful lol).

[RobbieNelson]

I'm surprized it runs with just an AFC. I'd think you would benifit from some better form of engine management.

[narfdanarf]

those older DSMs computers were far superior than many other manufacturers....there are countless people running basically his same setup for a long time with no problems on the SAFC

[masakari]

i will be the ecxeptin to the above post...cause mine runs like hammered dog poo..with the AFC

i am not biased to import or demostic,its funny that few domestic owners have the same views... any great car will get my respect..as stated in that post from dsmtuners i used to roll in an 02 TA...just a little over 2 years ago i lined up against a eclipse gsx with the mentality that my ls1 was an invincible engine and that i was about to teach this guy a lesson...by the time i had reached 130 this guy had pulled several car links on me and with a puff of black smoke was just gone...i have been interested in the awd turbo charged four bangers ever since then and last month i finally found a car i have been wanting for many years

as far as the car goes, i am completely green..im learning as i go mostly...there wont be to much you guys can learn from me at this time..but as things break and i repair them i will become more of an asset in the info department

most of the mods to this car was done by the previous owner...i have been disecting and upgrading and changing things i dont like...i just got done swapping in some tougher front axles and installing the front brembo discs....doing my damndest to work with that nightmare SAFC and just get the thing back in good condition fixing all the little piddly things wrong...i am not allowing myself to drive the car untill it is where i want it to be to keep me motivated to get it done...once its back in running order its going to buschurs for the stage three block and for a final tunning, and then i will show you guys what DSM is all about!!!
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[RobbieNelson]

most of the mods to this car was done by the previous owner...i have been disecting and upgrading and changing things i dont like...i just got done swapping in some tougher front axles and installing the front brembo discs....doing my damndest to work with that nightmare SAFC and just get the thing back in good condition fixing all the little piddly things wrong...i am not allowing myself to drive the car untill it is where i want it to be to keep me motivated to get it done...once its back in running order its going to buschurs for the stage three block and for a final tunning, and then i will show you guys what DSM is all about!!!

I've never used one, but from what I know, an SAFC is not that complicated. It's basically just an offset table... %MAF adjustment vs RPM. You also have to set the point at which the ECU switches from closed loop to open loop fuel control.

Does Dave Buschur tune with DSMLink any? I wish the Evo could use DSMLink. If you haven't heard of it, you should definatly check it out.

[masakari]

yeah, dsmlink is in my cars immediate future...i actually called them and was about to lay the 500 down for the ecu...but the kicker is you need a 95 ecu box because only the 95 came with the eprom chip...they said they are working to develope a system for th 96+ ecus but its a few months off from prototype phase..and probably 3 or 4 months longer before a working version is for sale...dsmlink will be the final solution to my problems...the afc works, but all it is doing is catching signals and modding them to make the computer think it still has the stock injectors...it works, but not well enough for my tastes..dsmlink is an actual ecu replacement..that works with the injector size you specify to make the car run like it came from the factory with the injectors you chose.....so think from the factory reliability and driving charectoristics except on a much higher level......after dealign with this afc, this will be like a wet dream when i can get it..

not to mention the dsmlink program gives you 100 percent controll over everything about the engine....its almost to good to be true!!!
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[xjoewhitex]

wow, i really hope to see this car soon.. it sounds awesome 8)

[Feedman]

I'm surprized it runs with just an AFC. I'd think you would benifit from some better form of engine management.

There you go again Robbie, hating on the Afc...lol.

They do there job well....if the car runs crappy...its b/c its in need of a good tune....does it have a wideband....if not, I would recommend getting one, you could basically do the majority of the tuning yourself, or with some help..... 8)

[RobbieNelson]

There you go again Robbie, hating on the Afc...lol.


Compared to DSMLink (http://www.dsmlink.com/index.html), the SAFC is a flaming dog turd.

250-300$
SAFC
Controls:
the MAF signal

600$
DSMLink /w EPROM chip
Controls:
the MAF signal
extra fuel per RPM
timing per RPM
has some sort of anti-lag system
reads DTC(diagnostic trouble codes)
can control nitrous triggering
....and it can datalog


I rest my case

[Jay]

There you go again Robbie, hating on the Afc...lol.


Compared to DSMLink (http://www.dsmlink.com/index.html), the SAFC is a flaming dog turd.

250-300$
SAFC
Controls:
the MAF signal

600$
DSMLink /w EPROM chip
Controls:
the MAF signal
extra fuel per RPM
timing per RPM
has some sort of anti-lag system
reads DTC(diagnostic trouble codes)
can control nitrous triggering
....and it can datalog


I rest my case

nitrous.. id be sold on it

[Feedman]

There you go again Robbie, hating on the Afc...lol.


Compared to DSMLink (http://www.dsmlink.com/index.html), the SAFC is a flaming dog turd.

250-300$
SAFC
Controls:
the MAF signal

600$
DSMLink /w EPROM chip
Controls:
the MAF signal
extra fuel per RPM
timing per RPM
has some sort of anti-lag system
reads DTC(diagnostic trouble codes)
can control nitrous triggering
....and it can datalog


I rest my case


The safc isn't going to cost anywhere near $300 bucks...

I sold my Vafc for $200 bucks with all the trimmings.....

I woul think one could be had for $150 bucks......

To me...thats a great price point.......

8)

[narfdanarf]

yeah i agree totally that dsmlink is the way to go...but there are countless cars running good with the AFC...not a bad price for what you get...DSMlink is loads better though...that is what would be on my car if i had one.

[RobbieNelson]

I sold my Vafc for .....

hmmmm.....

[Feedman]

I sold my Vafc for .....

hmmmm.....


It wasn't the Vafc that killed my car, it was the doushe bag who tuned it.....had it been tuned correctly I would still be using it thank you....

Same goes for a 1k engine management system.....only as good as the person who tunes it..... 8)

[masakari]

I sold my Vafc for .....

hmmmm.....


It wasn't the Vafc that killed my car, it was the doushe bag who tuned it.....had it been tuned correctly I would still be using it thank you....

Same goes for a 1k engine management system.....only as good as the person who tunes it..... 8)

that is true, but dsmlink is full proof...you screw the settings up to bad, simply click a button and it loads itself back to the factory default.

I take it there is some rivalry between a certain evo and a certain SI here huh? LOL

this seems like a good bunch of people...i was getting sick and tired of dealign with the dsmtuners crowd...it seems like you would have to bow down and erect a shrine to get the high and mighty DSM gods over there to answer questions...they seem to forget that not everyone was born with DSM tuning knowledge :roll:

look for me out there once the weather breaks...i doubt the mighty eagle will be taking to many flights during the cold season cause its going to be in peices for most of it...by spring i will be ready to go see what this autox is all about!

but let me know when you guys have a meet up or something..i would be interested in meeting everyone
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[Jay]

i think alot of ppl have their stuf tore apart for the winter.. 3 of my buddies have their stuf strung from their kitchen to their garage. hmm.. actually that pretty much describes me as well. my old throttlebody would prob make a nice toothbrush holder on the bathroom sink lol

[ShortysTRM]

certain subby

Turbo Civic Si, actually.

extra fuel per RPM

So it's a fuel pump...

timing per RPM

And Vtec...

has some sort of anti-lag system

Rally-style ALS...

reads DTC(diagnostic trouble codes)

The guy at AutoZone...

can control nitrous triggering

Vin Diesel...

....and it can datalog

And a Datalogger?

I'm just messing with ya Robbie, but some of that stuff is likely marketing (ALS in a computer?), sugar coating (wouldn't a change in MAF signal equal more or less fuel per RPM?), or likely never going to be used by anyone but drag racers (nawwwwsss). Datalogging, diagnostics, and timting are cool, but does it just change ignition timing or does it work like a Vtec (or similar) controller?

[Jay]

hmm.. im not a drag racer, i got 2 nos wet kits on 2 dif cars
lol

[masakari]

i know this is going to sound kinda gay, but think fast and the furious...the dsmlink has a hardwire that runs from the ecu...when tunning it hooks up to a laptop which has a windows based tunning program...you make a run and it logs all the imformation on several dyno style graphs ranging everything from fuel at certain rpms to knock detected ( if any)..you can then go in and select via slider bars fuel increases and select what timming you want it to run...the new release i believe has several diffrent stages available where you can save and have it load what settings you want...ie. you can drive to the track at normal settings and once on the line can hit enter and have it load your drag settings...or street settings...having this program would kill all the headaches i am having right now in one package
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[RobbieNelson]

but does it just change ignition timing or does it work like a Vtec (or similar) controller?

Are you serious?

[Jay]

i know this is going to sound kinda gay, but think fast and the furious...the dsmlink has a hardwire that runs from the ecu...when tunning it hooks up to a laptop which has a windows based tunning program...you make a run and it logs all the imformation on several dyno style graphs ranging everything from fuel at certain rpms to knock detected ( if any)..you can then go in and select via slider bars fuel increases and select what timming you want it to run...the new release i believe has several diffrent stages available where you can save and have it load what settings you want...ie. you can drive to the track at normal settings and once on the line can hit enter and have it load your drag settings...or street settings...having this program would kill all the headaches i am having right now in one package

so basically you can monitor and log everything your motor is doing, then change what ever aspects you didnt like? that's sweet

[ShortysTRM]

Yeah, you made it sound a little better.

And yes, God, I was serious. Adam had a VAFC, which includes a Vtec controller. I'm assuming that ignition timing can also be advanced or RETARDED via ECU. Also assuming that it can be used on other cars (though I do realize it is called DSMlink), it would be likely that this amazing invention could do either or both of said timing adjustments. I'm not stupid. I do know you have no variable valve timing, though it would be kind of cruel to act so appalled that one might not know that had I not known that beforehand.

[RobbieNelson]

though it would be kind of cruel to act so appalled that one might not know that had I not known that beforehand.

No. It wouldn't be, considering the amount of knowledge you usually spew out. I could have "opened up" on you about that, but I held back. I knew you knew better. No harm, no foul. Carry on.

[Feedman]

Don't get me wrong guys, the Dsmlink is super nice, @ the time I was poor, so I settled on the Vafc.....if I had one gripe with the Apexi, was that I couldn't control timing.....for ~$150 bucks it offers some degree of tuning....vs $600...thats all I was saying.....

I would like to see someone with a Dsmlink and compare it to my Hondata...

I am sure they are very similiar.....

Good post Btw..... 8)

[ShortysTRM]

Yeah, I think that comparing the two is like comparing a turbo-back exhaust to a muffler. The AFC is deinfinitely a good product which does what it advertises, and the same apparently goes for the DSMlink. As with the exhaust, it will only do what it says it will do (and I don't mean add 50 HP lol...more like a downpipe doesn't quiet your exhaust because it isn't supposed to) and if you pay more for something, it should be a better product. This isn't always the case, of course.

Who makes the DSMlink? I know Apex is very well known, and besides the fact that the N-1 exhaust Patrick has is aluminized and still cost nearly a grand, it is one of the better products I have seen. It took us forever to get his stock exhaust off and no time at all to put the N-1 in place of it. The fit was absolutely perfect.

[masakari]

dsmlink is made by a couple of regular joes with computer experience..check it out yourself at http://www.dsmlink.com you can even download the computer program to your comp for free and play around with some of its functions just to get a feel for what it is capable of
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