2006 civic 5 door hatch...

[andy5.0]

Until now i have only seen the coupe, but here are the pics of the 5 door hatch. There are certain things I like, like how the rear door handles are integrated into the C-Pillar, the overall shape, and the rear end, but that front end will definitely need some help imo...I think i will stick with my 6th gen thank you...

[andy5.0]

here are some pics of an orange one...looks alot better imo. These pics show the actual size relationship of the car. Honda says it is going to be smaller than the old EP Si's that we got, and from the pics you can tell it should be pretty small. Hopefully a type r or Si treatment will make this hatch a screamer.

[xjoewhitex]

weird....

[Davis Silver Sti]

interior cool.
Orange loooks better but I give it 2 stars outta 5

[Jay]

Looks like a Saturn

[Feedman]

Poor Honda, what are they doing.....

There is noo good reason they couldn't make a 400whp monster from the factory....

2.0L K series mated with a 6 speed tranny an lsd, proper suspension and tires.

6-8lbs on a K series nets you ~ 300whp. 15lbs and you are @ your mark, on Pump gas....

Figure that into a hatch, offer a "city commuter version", or a "weekend warrior version" that would weigh in far less.....

I did my entire build for less than 5k...figure a new Si is in the ~20k range...Pricing may be a bit higher than an srt-4 but Honda technology and reliablity.....no brainer....they would sweap the market...

Off to the races....

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[Kurt_W]

Poor Honda, what are they doing.....

Ironically, that's what we said when they released the 99-00 Si coupe...

Anyway, given my somewhat eclectic taste in cars (SVX what?), if they come out with it looking like that and it being at least somewhat on the small side, I will consider one. That’s something I haven't been able to say about a Civic since the 95 model stopped being produced.

I like it, but then I like the new coupe too.

[Davis Silver Sti]

Poor Honda, what are they doing.....

There is noo good reason they couldn't make a 400whp monster from the factory....

2.0L K series mated with a 6 speed tranny an lsd, proper suspension and tires.

6-8lbs on a K series nets you ~ 300whp. 15lbs and you are @ your mark, on Pump gas....

Figure that into a hatch, offer a "city commuter version", or a "weekend warrior version" that would weigh in far less.....

I did my entire build for less than 5k...figure a new Si is in the ~20k range...Pricing may be a bit higher than an srt-4 but Honda technology and reliablity.....no brainer....they would sweap the market...

Off to the races....

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I take it you were being sarcastic on Honda doing that to their everyday car.
From a Mfg. standpoint, that would be a near death production. Yes, cool and fast in marketing but they wouldn't nearly gain back what they'd lose in R&D and the turbo headaches that Mfgs. often get.

What took you $5K (which I think is great) would take Honda $1M to R&D, test and test again just for a small niche market that would get hammered for the compact car target. Its one thing to make it yourself (which you should be very poud of) but something entirely different when you need to make a product for the masses. (think liabilities and long term costs etc..)

Honda definately has the capability. (they make the most potent hi-tech racing engines) But Correct me if I'm wrong, but how much experience do they have on a stock production street driven turbo car? Is there a Honda turbo JDM car? I dunno. Stuff like that takes years to master.
(Turbos were on EVOs and WRX long before they came to the US)
Dodge's Srt-4 was a big gamble and perhaps still is. But they can lose many millions and gain it back in other cars....like "employee discount" (which will backfire)

Should Honda start putting turbos on Hondas? Civics? Yes! That would be great! Fast for sure. (make sure there's one on the new NSX) Might not happen for sometime but I hope I'm wrong. opps, sry for long post

[Feedman]

Funny you say that Kurt, b/c I have had more people comment to me that the 99-00 is one of there favorite years....??


Honda makes a turbo powered Jet-Ski for crying out loud.

Why not something that people would actually buy.

A few million to R&D would be well a worthwhile investement.

Might be to late, but they still have a fair market share, unless they keep putting out junk like that.

Had they beat Dodge to the market with the srt-4, they would have gotten a strangle hold on young consumers looking for a reliable yet fun car...

As far as money spent, Honda being such a huge company has probably some of the best buying power in the world, well next to walmart...lol

Seriously though, turbo's, intercoolers, boost controllers would cost litterally only a few bucks as compared to the aftermarket. & speaking of that, there is money there also...

Monster Machine = Crx or Civic lightweight hatch, with a crv drivetrain, upgraded to handle the stresses of 400whp launches and an engine to make the power...

Unstoppable...

2000lb car with awd and the power to boot, auto-x or drag wouldn't stand a chance...

Can you imagine the fright it would give to other manufacturers.....lol...


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[Davis Silver Sti]

Why not something that people would actually buy.


That's the prob, not enough people would actually buy it. While we are "in" that cool sport compact car market and see it alot, it is NOT what makes alot of $ for a Mfg. Co. ...just not enough volume.

Now with the SRT-4, Cobalt, WRX and EVO, the "turbo go-fast" market is saturated. Best thing for Honda to do is come out with a car that they have experience in producing and perfecting, cost is competitive, typical good quality, and still has some power for fun...hence the new Civic Si.

Si:
I have a feeling the looks will grow on me and a real-life viewing would be much better. The interior is awesome. (something Subaru is still trying to figure out in the Imprezas..but got it right in their odd Tribeca)

[daveb91]

if they release that chance there is a big chance we will never see it here in the U.S. The decline of the Hatch started in 99 when the gave us a coupe instead of what always has been and still is a hatch in the rest of the world...the Si.

[daveb91]

Americans are stupid now they dont buy hatches anymore!

[superchargedgsr]

si's suck

[Kurt_W]

But Correct me if I'm wrong, but how much experience do they have on a stock production street driven turbo car? Is there a Honda turbo JDM car? I dunno. Stuff like that takes years to master.
(Turbos were on EVOs and WRX long before they came to the US)
GM's Srt-4 was a big gamble and perhaps still is. But they can lose many millions and gain it back in other cars....like "employee discount" (which will backfire)

Honda used to produce a car in Japan called the City that was turbo. But it was a small displacement 3 cylinder that produced about 70 hp with the turbo. Honda built a CX-series motorcycle in the early 80’s that was turbo (Yamaha and Suzuki did at the same time as well, they all had about a 2 year production run before being cancelled due to lack of interest.) Honda currently has a 1300cc jet ski that is turbo’d. Other then that, I’m not aware of them making any other production turbo vehicles.

Also, last I checked, GM and Daimler Chrysler didn’t have any type of joint venture going in terms of a production car ;)


Funny you say that Kurt, b/c I have had more people comment to me that the 99-00 is one of there favorite years....??

Sure, it may be the favorite year for some of the people that you deal with, but when you ask Si purists like myself or just about any CRX owner, the coupe was a sad replacement. In stock form the 99-00 Si is overweight and underpowered. Almost all my friends who went from CRX Si’s to Civic coupe Si’s have been disappointed and have gotten rid of them in short order. The B16 is a very capable engine, but in a car as heavy as the 6th gen, it lost a lot of its potency.

[superchargedgsr]

I had a 92 civic SI hatch...My fav. out of all the cars I've owned...

[andy5.0]

I think a car like the honda City would do pretty well over here...price it for less than a scion xb(toaster) or xa(mini-matrix) and honda would have a definite winner in the small car market...plus the city looks pretty cool to boot. Doubt if a car that small would pass crash testing though, and god forbid you get hit in a honda city by someone driving a flippin Escalade or Navigator....that would hurt. :shock:

[narfdanarf]

Yeah i'm pretty sure that's the euro model and we're definitely not getting it here. Not even the interior from what I've read.

[Feedman]

Funny you say that Kurt, b/c I have had more people comment to me that the 99-00 is one of there favorite years....??

Sure, it may be the favorite year for some of the people that you deal with, but when you ask Si purists like myself or just about any CRX owner, the coupe was a sad replacement. In stock form the 99-00 Si is overweight and underpowered. Almost all my friends who went from CRX Si’s to Civic coupe Si’s have been disappointed and have gotten rid of them in short order. The B16 is a very capable engine, but in a car as heavy as the 6th gen, it lost a lot of its potency.

Defintly well put. I agree with your statements.

When you go from a small Crx Si to a blundering pig of a coupe there is no comparison. I never had the opportunity to own an early model crx, so I don't have the bias.

If I was happy with my car, I wouldn't have modded it....(the way it should have come from the factory, including 3 lug studs - weight redux)....

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[daveb91]

Yeah my CRX with the D16 ran a 15.8 1/4 mile what does a 99 si run........about the same?

[Feedman]

Yeah my CRX with the D16 ran a 15.8 1/4 mile what does a 99 si run........about the same?

Depends...

I/H/E Si's can dip into the 14's...

Usually a bone stock Si can run 15.3-15.6...

In the 1/8th usually 10.0-10.3's....

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[daveb91]

In the quarter usually 10.0-10.3's....

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OOOOKKKKKKKAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!

[Feedman]

In the quarter usually 10.0-10.3's....

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OOOOKKKKKKKAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!

opps....

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[Zerocool_Designs]

Honda used to produce a car in Japan called the City that was turbo. But it was a small displacement 3 cylinder that produced about 70 hp with the turbo. Honda built a CX-series motorcycle in the early 80’s that was turbo (Yamaha and Suzuki did at the same time as well, they all had about a 2 year production run before being cancelled due to lack of interest.) Honda currently has a 1300cc jet ski that is turbo’d. Other then that, I’m not aware of them making any other production turbo vehicles.


Honda also did a turbo legend in the late 80's (1st gen). It was a tiny V6 (like less than 2.2L) and made about the same horsepower as mine does with its 2.7... I also think they may have only came as automatics... But they did exist. Beyond that and the city, I can't think of any other turbo cars they've produced... There are people spreading rumors on Acuraworld that the new TL or TSX (I confuse the two) may be turbo'd... Honda just doesn't like boost, but I'm cool with NA anyway.

[InterceptorXR7]

it looks like it has a center console to the shifter, unlike the hatchbacks now, sweet. 8)

[ShortysTRM]

I like that 2006 a lot better than the current Si. Also, Adam, a CRX with that drivetrain would probably be more like 2200-2300 lbs., which is still light as hell.

Honda makes engines that last 300,000 miles. A 400-hp small displacement 4 cylinder isn't going to run for 300,000 miles, especially without a lot of tweaking here and there. Like Davis said, it would just cost too much in the longrun. If they were smart, though, they'd just do what Subaru does and offer that same kick-ass engine in every other car they produce, too.