Bike review sorta with questions. GSXR600

[narfdanarf]

Well I'm thinking about getting a bike with my Navy money, and awhile back I rode a '05 GSXR600. It was definitely faster than my friends Smokin Joe's 600, but not too terribly much. I was expecting a lot more out of it. I thought maybe it would blow me away, and I would be in awe after getting off. Clearly not the case. I was really surprised at how slow it was. Not that it was slow, just that I was expecting something that would be hard to hang on to. Top speed wise, it's great, but the acceleration just seemed lacking.


So that brings me to my questions:

What would nitrous be like on a bike? Front end already came up waay easy on the 600.

Should I just rule out completely a 600 and get a 900 or liter bike? I'm afraid that if I spend the extra money on a bigger bike, it still won't be quick enough and I'll still have to put some spray on it to get a rush. In which case I could just get a 600 and spray it enough.

Do pipes and silencers do anything or is it like a ricer exhaust thing?

I saw some turbo kits, but I think that may be a little more than I am looking for. Pricewise and Powerwise.

[low_s10_21]

hmm ive seen a lot of vids with bikes on spray...i suppose aslong as it wasnt a massive shot u would be ok. but then why not just get a bigger bike 900, or 1000 or even a busa. im sure either any of those would probably do it. a haybusa with some mods should be in the 190-200mph range, depending on what you get. with a turbo bike, especially on a higher liter bike, would be cranking atleast 200hp...with a busa and the right set up it can range anywhere from 250-500 rwhp. it just depends on how fast you wanna go, how much you wanna spend, and your experience...i also have to ask...have you ever ridden a big bore street bike? thats just my 2 cents....jay is the man to talk to about bikes.

[m pwrd 3]

Thats kinda the same with cars. You could have a 700hp that blows your mind, then in a year or so you will one 900hp. Its a never ending process :D
I say just go for a GSXR750 and call it a day, they have plenty of power and i think the Suzuki's have the best ergonomics - well for me anyways.

[narfdanarf]

I'm not a top speed guy...acceleration is what gets my marbles rollin.

I agree with Jamie in that I like Suzuki's the most out of the bikes I've ridden.

I don't think a 750 would satisfy me, based on the fact that I was completely underwhelmed by the 600. A liter bike might do it, don't know, never ridden one. One of my friends has an R1, might see if he will let me ride it.

[TruDSMTuner]

speed is ok, but when you start getting into turns, it's more of the rider. and how the bikes set up.

i have a junk 93 600 but in curves i can keep up with new bikes.

it's the same with anything, you get used to stuff. and want more that's why there is modifications for everyting. stock jsut isn't good enough.

there's alot of factors, just decide what you want to do. straight line or curves or both, then read up on the subject.

have fun with it all,
Justin

[Jay]

I'm not a top speed guy...acceleration is what gets my marbles rollin.

I agree with Jamie in that I like Suzuki's the most out of the bikes I've ridden.

I don't think a 750 would satisfy me, based on the fact that I was completely underwhelmed by the 600. A liter bike might do it, don't know, never ridden one. One of my friends has an R1, might see if he will let me ride it.


A 600 will do things you cant, a litre bike will too, it just takes less time to do it in.

I dont understand why you would need a bottle on a bike unless you were going to drag it. And if that is the case you arent going to do it w/out extending it because it's just going to flip on you unless you hit it in 4th. Perhaps 3rd if youre hugging the tank.

Keep in mind not all bikes are created equal.. My 750 would run circles around my buddies 750 of the same year. It's just the nature of the beast.. You dont want a monday 7am bike or a friday 5pm bike.

What exactly are you wanting to do anyways? A 600 has enough ass to do allmost anything. If youre wantin to stunt or tak wheelie change the front sprocket down 1t an go at it. If that doesnt work clutch it, it'll come up.
As far as top speed a 600 isnt any faster than a 750, 1k, or 1300. They all top out at 186 by law. Theres a 6th gear rev limiter built into all bikes. Ivans makes a system to bypass that, but who really needs to go over 186?

A 600 with a turbo kit is a big waste of money. That's like buying the v6 model mustang an supercharging it so it will keep up with the v8 model which you would of had less money in. Not only that, it's worthless.
Im not real sure what kinda sick whore of a 600 you rode, but it should of pulled the front wheel in 2 gears. Jason has a gsxr600 an i yanked it up on a side street in Vienna in 2nd gear by just choppin the throttle.

Also exhausts, ect. NO they arent ricey bolt-on's
Change the pipe, preferably a full system. Get a filter (bmc / k&n). Then have the bike mapped or get a power commander an have it mapped according to your parts. Torque/HP changes, curve changes, ect. Just like a car.

I think your real problem with a 600 is you dont know how to ride it vs. a bigger bike. 600's dont have any low end, theyre top end monsters. Wind them out an you find where they make the real power, which is why changing the sprocket is allways a good idea.. it brings the power down to where you can use it. A litre bike doesnt rev as high, but makes power alot sooner. You have the torque alot sooner ect. Think of a 600 as a 2 stroke while the litre bike as a 4.

If I was to buy a 600, I'd look at the CBR600RR. It will suck the paint off of a Gixxer750. Realy impressive bike.. I hate 600's and I would allmost own one.

One thing you need to remember is insurance on anthing 900cc's and above goes insane high.

[daveb91]

Nitrous or turbo on a bike? if i liked to see anybody do that it would be you Justin.

[Jay]

Nitrous or turbo on a bike? if i liked to see anybody do that it would be you Justin.

HAHA

I know of 2 bikes in town with nos, one's a 929 an one is an R1
Both of those dipshits have flipped them backwards on the interstate and luckily walked away with minor injuries.

[narfdanarf]

Yeah, as far as tricks go, I would think the 600 would have enough for that, like you said front end comes up fairly easy. I was riding it through the mall parking lot and in second the front end came up and then a car pulled out in front of me there at the Walmart entrance.

It just seemed that the acceleration was lacking, I almost expected it to be twice as fast. My dad has a built CR500 dirtbike, and I swear it would hand the sportbike it's ass until higher speeds.



maybe I'll just save up my money and buy a nice car to drive back and forth from SC to here.

[RobbieNelson]

It just seemed that the acceleration was lacking, I almost expected it to be twice as fast. My dad has a built CR500 dirtbike, and I swear it would hand the sportbike it's ass until higher speeds.

Torque at the wheel is what determines accceleration. Torque at the wheels is determined via the gear ratios. Change the sprocket as Jay suggested and it will instantly change the acceleration characteristics. Note that it will also lower the top speed, but you don't care about that right? Am I correct Jay?

[Jay]

It just seemed that the acceleration was lacking, I almost expected it to be twice as fast. My dad has a built CR500 dirtbike, and I swear it would hand the sportbike it's ass until higher speeds.

Torque at the wheel is what determines accceleration. Torque at the wheels is determined via the gear ratios. Change the sprocket as Jay suggested and it will instantly change the acceleration characteristics. Note that it will also lower the top speed, but you don't care about that right? Am I correct Jay?

100% correct.
Alltho dropping 1t on the front sprocket will increase the torque drastically, also it will not effect the top speed at all. It would if the speed limiter were not in place, but seriously, does anyone need to be going close to 200mph on or in anything w/out being in a controlled enviroment?

I cannot imagine a built CR500 outrunning it..
A 600 does not have any low end. It is a top end monster which can rev exceptionally high. The new special edition R1 redlines at 17k rpm. Im not sure what the accelleratoin issues are you are having but off the line unless you know how to launch it, it isnt going to have a snap your neck like feel to it.

Honestly if you go try the things youre doing on this 600 on a litre bike you will wind up wearing it for a hat. Theres alot of experienced riders in town who have went an got some of the new litre bikes an even they say that they are a handfull. That new CBR1k is just absolutely insane. But even the Gixxer 1k is wild. I had one and it was blinding quick. Really the bottom line on bikes is would you put your 16y old newly licensed unexperienced driver behind the wheel of a 400hp rwd car. or would you rather him/her be behind the wheel of something they might not die in? That's my same theory on bikes between the 600 and the litre+ bikes.

Unless of course it's a 600rr.. those are kinda like 600's on cocain

[narfdanarf]

What about the 929 and 954? How do you feel about them? Also I've heard good things about the Kawi 636, but I'm not too sure it would be a whole lot better than a 600.

[Jay]

What about the 929 and 954? How do you feel about them? Also I've heard good things about the Kawi 636, but I'm not too sure it would be a whole lot better than a 600.

Personally I would never own a Kaw no matter the cc, or the price. I have friends with 636's an they love them buy eh.. It's kinda like how I can look at a new Dodge and admire it while at the same time knowing I would never own it.
Bikes are like cars..
You got ford guys, you got chevy guys, you got mopar guys.
And then theres all you import queers.. we put you in one group
(kidding.. dont flame me)

Anyhow..
I think the 929's suck. They are the biggest feeble attempt of trying to make a hipo bike I have ever seen. I have ridden 3 and my gixxer750 would dominate all 3.
954.. wow
The biggest problem you will have with a 954 is keeping the front wheel on the ground. Alltho the 954 is a few steps down from what a new cbr1k is, it is still one mean sonofabitch. In fact Justin if you do infact go buy a 954 let me know cause I want to go get insurance on you with me being the benefeciary. When Mike had his I took it out quite a few times and it was a handfull. 3rd gear roll would wheelie if you wanted it to or not. The bike is made short for cornering, but so short that its dangerous by way of front lift. But it did make it real easy to roll stoppies on.

Bottom line, and dont take this the wrong way. Everything you have said about bikes so far has been cocky. I have never seen someone ride a 600 and say its slow. No bike be it a 600 or a litre is slow. If you ride the way you act and go buy a big bike you are going to wind up in the hospital.
Bikes are capable of doing things most riders cannot do. And as soon as you think you are the master of it, it's gona show you that you arent.

Far be it for me to ever advise buying a 600, mainly because I dont like them. But most ppl need 600's cause they have a cocky attitude. I have seen many ppl go get big bikes and total them shortly after. Bikes arent toys. Sure I talk about them like they are, sure I am cocky on one or when I talk about them. But I am good on one. It didnt happen overnight, takes time an practise. If youre going to buy a big bike for your 1st that's cool, just respect it.

[low_s10_21]

i agree with you jay. i rode/stunted on dirtbikes for quite a few years, but after riding on a cbr 600 f4i i was impressed to say the least. if youve never rode a bike, start small. my cousin is a pretty decent rider, he started on a 600 later moving up to a 900. i assumed you had riden bikes quite a bit, not knowing it was your first street bike.

[narfdanarf]

Well I didn't mean it was slow...lol I was just expecting something that would turn my underwear brown. I think I would get bored with it fairly quickly. I only have prolly 15 hours of seat time on sportbikes total, so you are prolly right recommending a 600, which is prolly what I'll end up with if not just for the price of insurance. Then when it gets boring I'll figure something out...n20 or whatever it may be.

[Jay]

Depending on the bike you wont be able to use nos on it until you hit 4th gear. And by that time youre allready flying. Only way you could is by stretching it which is not only gay but looks stupid.

If you want cheaper insurance and still something fast buy a 600RR

[recobra10]

First thing is first if you have never owned a bike dont go buy the biggest fuckin thing you can. I speeak for a lot of experience ask Jay. I have had more bikes than most of you have had cars. You want accelration take a 600 out rte 16 at 12,000 rpm through every corner. Before you can run you need to learn to walk. Just because you buy bike dont mean you can automatically ride it, we have scraped more dumbasses up of the pavement for being stupid than u will ever know. Go to imajackass.com and view the videos of people crashing. It will make ya think. Im not trying to be a dick but dont wanna see you spend ten large and the spend twenty on hospital bill cause your stupid. A new liter bike is in the vicenity of 180 horse lets do some math 400 pounds with the more horse than a stock civic. Hum sounds like some one who has about fifteen minutes seat time is gonna get hurt. I have owned one of each of the last 5 interation of cbr 900 rr & an rc 51 they are all not a bike for some one who has never rode. My new 1000 will come up in third as easy as it will in first. Just do us all a favor use your brain don t be syupid and dont get hurt. You make the whole comunity of people who ride in our aera look like a bunch of jackasses.

[narfdanarf]

First off I said 15 hours, not 15 minutes. However, I have already said I realize that's not a long time though.


Secondly, I could give two fucks about speeding around corners going 200 mph. All I want is something that goes fast straight. I don't see the point of buying a bike that will get outrun in a straight line by a car.


Thirdly, I just said I am prolly gonna get a 600. Unless I get a deal on a salvage/stunt bike that's bigger.

[recobra10]

Bub id like to know one car that anyone in this group has that can out run a six hundred. Kvevin smith on his 96 cbr 600 was cutting 11's at national trails. and 15 hours might as well be 15 minutes in the seat. Im not telling you this to be an ass im concerned about your well being cause obviusly you have never picked your best friends up after they done 9000 dollars damage to a bike!

[recobra10]

Does this look like it was fun.

[Davis Silver Sti]

ouch!

[recobra10]

That happend 30 miles out route 26. Dude was rashed up pretty bad and had several broken bones. He thought he was mat maladin and he paid for it. Sat for two hours before an ambalance came. Totaled his bike to this day he has not gotten a new one.

[Davis Silver Sti]

I've loved bikes for many years, but know that unless I owned a racetrack(or some other avenue to get speed demons out), I wouldn't be happy keeping them at the speed limit on the streets. Not to mention how much safer it would be on a track.

[recobra10]

The track is the best and safest place, but with good safty gear and some brains you can ride quick on the street too. The biggest part is trusting the people that your riding with!

[narfdanarf]

I don't know if I would ever be comfortable enough to ride fast on the street. Just so many things can happen, track only and by track I mean 1/4...I am not one for twisties.


I know of two cars on here that I've seen do it.

[Jay]

That happend 30 miles out route 26. Dude was rashed up pretty bad and had several broken bones. He thought he was mat maladin and he paid for it. Sat for two hours before an ambalance came. Totaled his bike to this day he has not gotten a new one.

You forgot the whole story on this.. me an mike were out all night partying. He wakes me up at I dont even know what insane time in the morning to go ride. Matt who is the one who crashed got a full nights sleep.
As soon as we leave the park im sittin on my tank, legs over the screen, goofing off goin down 23rd. (still not 100% sober)
These guys from harrissville are lookin at me like wtf is he doin?
Matt crashes, an bites it hard.. Im comin into the corner thinking wow this is an odd place for ppl to be stopping to take a smoke break. I slow down, see what happened, ride a wheelie on by lol.



I don't know if I would ever be comfortable enough to ride fast on the street. Just so many things can happen, track only and by track I mean 1/4...I am not one for twisties.


I know of two cars on here that I've seen do it.

Spoken like every young unexperienced sackless rider in town who bought their bike to pick up chics.
I have no desire to put a bike on the 1/4 it just makes no sense to me.. unless its for stunting purposes then I can understand

[MnAiXsImMoA]

with everyone getting a bike now i expect a ride or 2

[recobra10]

This is when bad stuff happens to decent riders!

[Racerx300zx]

I agree with the whole safety thing, thats why I'm looking for a slow, easy riding pos, I know I'm too stupid to own a sportbike, and I've lost half a dozen friends in 3 years to sportbikes, so while I love them, I'll never ride one.

[narfdanarf]

I don't know if I would ever be comfortable enough to ride fast on the street. Just so many things can happen, track only and by track I mean 1/4...I am not one for twisties.


I know of two cars on here that I've seen do it.

Spoken like every young unexperienced sackless rider in town who bought their bike to pick up chics.
I have no desire to put a bike on the 1/4 it just makes no sense to me.. unless its for stunting purposes then I can understand

I don't see the point of doing 130+ on the street...too many fuckin retards driving in big things.

[recobra10]

There is nothing wrong with running fast out a road you just have to learn what to look for and learn how to ride. Riding is an artform just like driving a car fast, just harder. Always use the 20% rule always leave some held back incase you get in trouble.

[Jay]

There is nothing wrong with running fast out a road you just have to learn what to look for and learn how to ride. Riding is an artform just like driving a car fast, just harder. Always use the 20% rule always leave some held back incase you get in trouble.

Our sunday morning 20% rule was we were usually still 20% hammered from the night before.

[recobra10]

Focus young apprentice, it just make you ride better! Nothing like a 7am wakeup call after a long night at sugars!!!!!!!!!!!!!