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Jay
09-12-2006, 03:22 PM
Ok, since we seem to have this brought up every time I make fun of Ramsey's car.. what exactly is a DSM and what isnt? I turn to Google to find out!


"Diamond-Star Motors was renamed to Mitsubishi Motors Manufacturing America (MMMA) on July 1, 1995."

So that being the case, technically anything built after the 06/95 date technically would NOT be a dsm correct? Whole story below.



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Diamond-Star Motors (commonly abbreviated to DSM) was an automobile-manufacturing joint venture between the Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC). The name came from the parent companies' respective logos: three diamonds (Mitsubishi) and a pentastar (Chrysler). Since 1995, the plant's official title has been Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc (MMNA) Manufacturing Division.[1]

DSM can also refer to three of the vehicles produced by Diamond-Star Motors, the Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, and Plymouth Laser.


Background
The origins of Diamond-Star Motors can be traced back to 1970 when Chrysler Corporation took a 15% stake in Mitsubishi Motors, as part of MMC's strategy of exapansion through alliances with foreign partners. The US company began distributing Mitsubishis as Chrysler-, Dodge- and Plymouth-branded captive imports, a successful venture as the compacts met consumer demand for smaller and more fuel-efficient vehicles in the 1970s, filling a gap at the bottom of the Chrysler group's range.


By 1982, Chrysler was importing 110,000 Mitsubishis annually. However, a minor conflict was forming as the Japanese now wanted to sell directly through their own-branded dealerships. A voluntary import quota system was in place at this time, restricting the number of cars Japanese automakers could bring in to the US. As the Japanese company began to open its own branded dealerships to sell directly, every imported Cordia, Tredia and Starion sold by Mitsubishi had to be discounted from Chrysler's allocation.


Incorporation
In order to circumvent this, the two partners officially incorporated Diamond-Star Motors in October 1985, and in April 1986 ground was broken on a 1.9 million square-foot (177,000mē) production facility in Normal, Illinois. The plant was completed in March 1988, with an annual capacity of 240,000 vehicles.


Initially, three models were produced at this facility. The Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser and Eagle Talon were smaller 2+2 sports cars on a new co-designed platform. Models subsequently produced during the next decade included the Mitsubishi Mirage / Eagle Summit, the Mitsubishi Galant, the Dodge Avenger / Chrysler Sebring, and the Dodge Stratus.


Departure of Chrysler
Initially Diamond-Star Motors was a 50/50 joint venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. However, in 1991 the Japanese company purchased its partner's equity stake, and thereafter the manufacture of Chrysler vehicles was on a contractual basis. Chrysler sold its equity stake in Mitsubishi in 1993, and Diamond-Star Motors was renamed to Mitsubishi Motors Manufacturing America (MMMA) on July 1, 1995.


Currently the plant produces vehicles using the American-developed Mitsubishi PS platform, including the current Endeavor, Galant and Eclipse. 1,900 people are employed as well as 1,000 robots. Expansion in 2003 means that it now occupies 2.4 million square-feet.[2]


Aftermarket and Tuning Community
The vehicles that Diamond-Star Motors produced, which include particularly the Mitsubishi Eclipse and the Eagle Talon now have a large cult following. These vehicles were equipped from the factory with much more capability for speed then other vehicles at the time. Finding the three vehicles, Talon Eclipse and Laser are commonplace in the streets.


Many of the market who still buy the used Diamond-Star Motors vehicles attempt to purchase the vehicle with a production date of up to 1992, in which the motor changed in that year. Known to the owners, it went from a 6 Bolt Crank to a 7 Bolt. The 7 Bolt was widely panned at the time and to this day due to a symptom known as "Crank Walk". A majority of the buyers today look for primarily the turbo version of all three of the cars in all wheel drive drivetrain form.

m05z
09-12-2006, 11:27 PM
Mine was made on June of 94, so I guess mine is

low_s10_21
09-12-2006, 11:34 PM
well thank god we got this settled. so ramsey is a dsm poser after all.

InterceptorXR7
09-12-2006, 11:38 PM
so whoever has a 96-98 eclipse is a dsm poser :P

m05z
09-12-2006, 11:40 PM
Reading it over, I noticed it said can also refer to any Talon, Eclipse, or Laser, so calling a 97 Eclipse a DSM wouldn't exactly be wrong, would it?

That said, do Talons and Eclipses made after 95 still have DSM stickers everywhere like mine does?

low_s10_21
09-12-2006, 11:43 PM
i believe its any laser...talon...eclipse...before 1994....soo anything above that is in fact not a dsm.......but i could be wrong...that is what i gathered from the wonderful post jay made.

ramrod
09-13-2006, 12:52 AM
my car doesn't have a single DSM sticker.

Diamond Star Motors (commonly abbreviated to DSM) was a vehicle manufacturing division jointly owned by Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation. The name Diamond Star Motors comes from the parent companies logos: a five-point star (Chrysler), and three diamonds (Mitsubishi). Three of the vehicles produced via Diamond Star Motors are also generally referred to as DSMs: the Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, and Plymouth Laser.


I also heard any car that carries the 4G63T can be considered a DSM. Take a starion for example. They compete at the dsm shootout which only allows cars with a 4g63t except during time trials. Any other time during the shootout you never see a Nt racing unless during time trials.

August 14th-15th

August 14th, Buschur Racing, Wakeman, Ohio (Click here for Buschur Racing's web site):

* Car show (hang out)
* Dyno competition.
* Open house to the shop.
* Starts at 9 am!
* No charge except to dyno, cars must be in 2wd mode.

August 15th, Norwalk Raceway Park, Norwalk, Ohio (Click here for the track web site):

* Actual Race Day
* Gates open at 8 am!
* Open to all EVO's and DSM's. Also any 4g63 powered cars can race.
* Previous event had over 225 cars racing and 1500+ EVO/DSM's in attendance. Don't miss out!

lordpaxin
09-13-2006, 05:23 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Star_Motors

Jay
09-13-2006, 09:52 AM
Reading it over, I noticed it said can also refer to any Talon, Eclipse, or Laser, so calling a 97 Eclipse a DSM wouldn't exactly be wrong, would it?

That said, do Talons and Eclipses made after 95 still have DSM stickers everywhere like mine does?


I think what they meant when they said it refer's to talon/eclipse/laser is that it isnt so much that they are DSM's but rather that most ppl refer to that platform as a DSM in general. For instance if someone im talking to says he gota DSM the 1st thing that pops in my mind is an Eclipse.

Jay
09-13-2006, 09:53 AM
well thank god we got this settled. so ramsey is a dsm poser after all.


Yea he is, he's a white guy mascarading as a black guy.

ramrod
09-13-2006, 11:14 AM
jay i hate you lol. jk

brummy
09-13-2006, 01:02 PM
I also heard any car that carries the 4G63T can be considered a DSM. Take a starion for example. They compete at the dsm shootout which only allows cars with a 4g63t except during time trials.

I would think this would be applicable too because they're using the same engine.

ramrod
09-13-2006, 03:56 PM
Woot my point exactly. The motor is what makes a DSM a DSM, I think anyways.

ramrod
09-13-2006, 04:45 PM
No, what makes both first and second generation cars DSM's was they they were designed as DSMs. It's isn't just the plant they were built at or we'd add a bunch of unrelated cars, It isn't just the 4G63T or you would drop most of the TEL built since the non-turbo cars out number the turbo cars and add the GVR4 but not the GGSX. And it's not the sticker since that really doesn't change the car just because the factory ownership changed.

Steve

I posted a thread on tuners and this is the best response that I got.

Jay
09-14-2006, 04:00 PM
So basically what youre telling me is even DSM'ers dont know what is and what isnt a DSM?
Personally im gona start calling anythign I break or is broken a DSM. For instance my RAZR fried a few weeks ago.. "whatta peice of dsm that thing is"

ramrod
09-23-2006, 09:49 PM
A lot of people have their own opinion on this. As far as this site is concerned, a DSM is a 90-99 Eclipse, Talon, or Laser (even though we welcome VR-4 people and others with the 4G63 powerplant).

Diamond Star Motors was a company formed by Mitsubishi and Chrysler, not just another joint effort where engineering and designs were shared. That's why the 3000GT/Stealth, Starion/Conquest, Mirage/Colt, and Montero/Rader are not DSM's. They were also joint efforts but weren't included in the DSM effort or platform. Anything that was designed and sold under the Diamond Star Motors badge is considered a DSM. If there was a Mitsu, Eagle and Plymouth version of the car and was built between 89-94, it was a Diamond Star Motors car. If your car had a DSM badge posted on it, it's a DSM. It's that simple. The 95-99 cars were built on the redesigned DSM platform even though the Diamond Star company officially ceased to exist after 1993. That's why the argument comes up about the 2G not being a true DSM. On this site, we refer to 2G cars as DSMs.

It's not based on whether it had a 4G63 in it, or if it was built in Illinois, or simply because it was a joint effort. Those are only parts of the definition and don't hold true on their own. And as I said, a lot of people have their own idea of what makes a true DSM, even if it isn't really accurate. Does it really matter

love on it bitches lol. 2G is a DSM woot

m05z
09-23-2006, 11:41 PM
I looked at my friend's 97 Eclipse for DSM stickers in the same place my DSM stickers were, and they all said MITSUBISHI instead of DSM. His is a NT 97, so that could have something to do with it.

Smitsu16
09-26-2006, 10:51 AM
I looked at my friend's 97 Eclipse for DSM stickers in the same place my DSM stickers were, and they all said MITSUBISHI instead of DSM. His is a NT 97, so that could have something to do with it. correction Josh, If it is my car it is a 98... :) you should know that...haha might not be talking about mine but 97 98 same thing..haha

Jay
09-26-2006, 09:46 PM
After reading liek a bazillion different things it appears no one not even the DSM guys know what is or isnt a DSM.

ramrod
09-27-2006, 12:46 AM
yes they do haha. anything that was mad by joint effort through mitsu and chrysler is dsm even the 95+ cars because they used a frame that was designed by the dsm group before it split so technically it is still a dsm