Blue SRT-4's

[BLUEVOVIII]

I recieved word from a friend that he saw 2 "electric blue" SRT-4's in marietta...and both drivers seem to look fairly young...can ne one confirm this...oh yeh and who's gold bmw is that floating around town??? :shock:

[Feedman]

No word on the Srt's. I know of one that is @ the Vienna Walmart that is driven by an older gentleman and is red in color. I will keep my ears and eyes peeled though...would like to line up against one.... 8)

As far as the Beemer goes. are you speaking about the one with wheels...it looks clean...is it an M3? 8)

[BLUEVOVIII]

I am pretty sure that the BMW isnt an M3 because I have a friend who knows almost everything there is to know about BMW's and he seems to undoubtably think that it looks to be a 330Ci...but who knows...i'd like to see whats under the hood though...i dont really like the paint job on it and i dont like how he stripped the propeller symbols off the car....

[Feedman]

I have seen him cruise around town several times...couldn't begin to tell ya what type it is. I haven't ever seen him get "on it" so to speak. I am doubting he has anything done and he also went with the Bling'n wheels...which makes me think..show no go....? 8)

[narfdanarf]

Those wheels are factory chief!

[Feedman]

Those wheels are factory chief!

You sure about that....? 8)

[jamesN272]

Yeah, i've seen at least one blue SRT-4 around...and then I see the red one every day. DEF stock... :?

Fun little cars, sat in one the other day @ GC mall...comfy. Not to mention retardly fast for what they are.

Someone should get them on here...i'd love to check one out

[daveb91]

What are EVO owners scared of a $20k neon? Its just a harmless little car. :twisted:

[BLUEVOVIII]

Do u have KAZAA ??? download EVO VIII vs. SRT-4 then you'll figure out what im talking about...plus im not scared of um I actually considered buying one...but I couldn't beat the EVO's price and performance...

[RobbieNelson]

What are EVO owners scared of a $20k neon? Its just a harmless little car. :twisted:

The engine isn't really a domestic. It's really Mexican.

In stock form, an Evo can take an SRT4... at anything. Anything other than a drag strip and the Evo will tear any SRT4 up that has similar mods.

Not trying to start an internet argument. Just stating facts. I really like the SRT4s. I tried to get my wife to buy one. I just hate the "my 20K car can beat your 30k car" thing. In a drag race, with light mods, it can. Put them in the rain, on a track, autocross, snow, etc. and its a totally different story.

So, get those Mexican cars on the forums.

[Davis Silver Sti]

What are EVO owners scared of a $20k neon? Its just a harmless little car. :twisted:

The engine isn't really a domestic. It's really Mexican.

In stock form, an Evo can take an SRT4... at anything. Anything other than a drag strip and the Evo will tear any SRT4 up that has similar mods.

Not trying to start an internet argument. Just stating facts. I really like the SRT4s. I tried to get my wife to buy one. I just hate the "my 20K car can beat your 30k car" thing. In a drag race, with light mods, it can. Put them in the rain, on a track, autocross, snow, etc. and its a totally different story.

So, get those Mexican cars on the forums.

Well said Robbie...

Ditto that on the STi :)

[daveb91]

I was just talking to Rallyex about this the other night at CC when nobody else showed up. The 2.4 t motor was first seen in the Mexican Market Stratus. MDM YO! I couldnt find the evo vs srt4 but I downloaded a srt4 vs wrx and the srt4 took it by half a car. Now Im not stupid and i know a car is only as good as its driver and this was a street drag race.

[BLUEVOVIII]

try: "EVO VIII vs neon srt-4", one of the better vids I have is "SRT-4 vs Eclipse Turbo"

[Feedman]

The better car is in fact as we all know the Evo. But I beleive the better buy would be the Srt-4. In stock form, the Evo would pull away from a roll. From a dig, the Evo would gain carlenghts. No of course if modded it would be close but thats obvious. If the Evo was modded, same conclusion.

To follow up on the 20k beat your 30k car statement...

my 10k car would beat your 30k car...lol.....[starting internet flame war]

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[BLUEVOVIII]

lol....anytime adam...you've already had the invite to my stock evo!?! :twisted:

[Feedman]

lol....anytime adam...you've already had the invite to my stock evo!?! :twisted:

Rules


1. No nudity

2. No explicit language (you know... the really bad words)

3. No discussions or tales of illegal street racing(there are safe, legal venues for racing... don't be an idiot



That's it for now. That is, untill problems arize. Break the rules once and you will be warned; twice and you'll be banned.

now now.....Rule #3....

(shoots him a pm..lol 8) )

[BLUEVOVIII]

"After I get that accomplished....dyno session/tuning and the drag strip...as soon as possible...wish me luck " (adam May 30th)

Adam get your head out the illegal side of racing...I meant on the strip...jeez :roll:

[daveb91]

OH yeah Fast and Furious :roll:

[Feedman]

OH yeah Fast and Furious :roll:


Fast & Furious > Me.... 8)

[ben2000formula]

I am actually thinking about an srt-4. i fell in love with the seats and just the overall feel of the car, and i didn't even drive it!

[Feedman]

I am actually thinking about an srt-4. i fell in love with the seats and just the overall feel of the car, and i didn't even drive it!

Get the Srt4 seats and put them in your Formula....lol.... 8)

[BLUEVOVIII]

I would get a new SRT-4 b/c they have some sweet upgrades through Mopar and many if not all the upgrades are under the factory warranty...i have numerous videos of SRT-4's smoking some very fast cars...and also an Evo thrown in there...but in its defense it was bone stock... :?

[Feedman]

Here is a small list of the "stages" taken from Mopars site:

http://www.mopar.com/perf_srt.htm

I listed what all is included/price/gains over stock. Hp doesn't considerably increase until Stage 3, but the torque gains are quite signficant @ such low rpms.

Srt-4

2.4 liter turbocharged 16-valve DOHC engine
230 horsepower
250 lb.-ft. of torque
0-60 in 5.8 seconds
New Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential


Stage 1 Upgrade - $399

240 hp @ 5200 rpm
260 ft-lbs @ 2400-4400 rpm
Fuel Injectors -- 577cc/min*
MOPAR Performance Powertrain Control Module (PCM)flashed with the Stage 1 code

240hp @5200 rpms
260tq @ 2400 rpms


Stage 2 Upgrade - $1,599

(1) Stage 2 PCM
(4) +30% Fuel Injectors (682 cc/min)
(1) Wastegate Actuator
(1) 3.0 bar TIP Sensor
Turbo Toys

265hp @ 5200 rpms
280 tq @ 4000 rpms


Stage 3 Upgrade - PENDING

Stage 3 PCM
TD05HR-15GK2-10cm2 turbo unit

- 16% larger compressor wheel diameter to flow and compress more intake air
- 19% larger turbine wheel diameter to flow more exhaust gas and reduce back pressure
- 67% more turbine scroll area for reduced back pressure
High-Flow (75 psi) fuel pump module
Demand-regulated fuel rail assembly

300hp @ 5200 rpms
300 tq @ 4000 rpms

Like TeenEvOwner said, the kits still allow for the duration of the Factory Warranty. 8)

[RobbieNelson]

Like TeenEvOwner said, the kits still allow for the duration of the Factory Warranty. 8)

Is there any info on the Mopar website to back this up?

The parts themselves have no warrenty... I did see that.

[Davis Silver Sti]

I wish Subaru (and Mitsu) had factory support on aftermarket stage kits. Way to go Mopar!

Those Mopar kits are pretty cool considering most of it is under warranty and not so $$.

However, when does a FWD car become not streetable when you get over 250hp to the fronts?? Whenever I've driven higher horsepower cars that are FWD, I get terrible torque steer (which i hate) and very little grip. Just sit and spin and wheel hop.

I'm trying to picture the SRT-4 with the Stage 3 kit and 300hp. I imagine that if you want a "spirted" take off (not redline dump thou) that it would be difficult without spinning a bunch and causing lots of "looks".

Heck, I've spun all 4 wheels in my Sti at a 5000 rpm launch on dry tarmac. (only spun for a little bit thou :twisted: )

Hope a SRT-4 owner shows up on the board. Be fun to see one and get their opinion on its performance and aftermarket stuff.

[Feedman]

Like TeenEvOwner said, the kits still allow for the duration of the Factory Warranty. 8)

Is there any info on the Mopar website to back this up?

The parts themselves have no warrenty... I did see that.

It was sorta common knowledge. One of the first manufacters to do this. I will find some hard evidence to back up my claims though.

AS for launching a 300+whp Fwd vehicle. I never said it would be easy Mr. AWD...lol. Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice, a good clutch, motor mounts and the factory lsd help out tremendously. With that much available torque it would be very tricky to say the least.... 8)

[RobbieNelson]

... I will find some hard evidence to back up my claims though. ...

Is it that hard to find? :wink:

[RobbieNelson]

1 Blue SRT4... CHECK

I met the older gentlemen and talked to him about his car. He used to go the Kanawha Valley Dragway alot to race his Mustang. He has a bigger swaybar on the car and wants to get a cat or turbo back exhaust. He does want the exhaust to be quite. He seemed like a nice guy. He liked my seats, wing and color choice. I gave him a movFast.com business card and told him a little about our group.

[daveb91]

What he wants mufflers on it? It doesnt come with mufflers from the factory. He could go with larger piping, but thats not gonna be quiet. The only thing going for him is its a turbo so that quiets the exhaust a little :) .

[xjoewhitex]

Just a thought that came to my head? would a stock srt-4 keep up with an stock Evo or Sti? motor Vs motor :?:

[RobbieNelson]

Just a thought that came to my head? would a stock srt-4 keep up with an stock Evo or Sti? motor Vs motor :?:

Both good drivers and cars in completely stock form(tires included) with optimum launches.... NO

[Davis Silver Sti]

Just a thought that came to my head? would a stock srt-4 keep up with an stock Evo or Sti? motor Vs motor :?:

Both good drivers and cars in completely stock form(tires included) with optimum launches.... NO
ditto that

[BLUEVOVIII]

Um...ive gotta agree with the AWD "ninnies".... 8)

[xjoewhitex]

Just a thought that came to my head? would a stock srt-4 keep up with an stock Evo or Sti? motor Vs motor :?:

Both good drivers and cars in completely stock form(tires included) with optimum launches.... NO
ditto that

but what is the actual difference besides the Awd Vs. Fwd

[Davis Silver Sti]

Just a thought that came to my head? would a stock srt-4 keep up with an stock Evo or Sti? motor Vs motor :?:

Both good drivers and cars in completely stock form(tires included) with optimum launches.... NO
ditto that

but what is the actual difference besides the Awd Vs. Fwd

Well, there's a hp difference. I believe the SRT-4 has something like 230hp. The EVO has 273 (?) and the Sti has 300. The Evo and the Sti have way more torque. (STi has 300 pounds of torque, can't remember what the EVO has..but its good)
Torque is really what gets you out of the hole quicker. Personally I'd rather have a car with only 200 hp, but 350+ pounds of torque! (unfortunately, they don't really exist)

Torque example. The Subaru World rally car has 300 hp. (yes, the same as mine) HOWEVER, it has something like 500 pounds of torque plus a very unique anti-lag management system that is extremely efficent and provides insane acceleration.
I bring up this torque thing because it is what would really help the EVO and STi beat the SRT-4 in accleration and 1/4. (equal drivers on stock cars) Of course the AWD would give it a great jump off the line.
FYI: huge horsepower is really good on certain things such as top speed and sometimes 1/4 if you can get the traction down. That's why many V8's are perfect for 1/4.

The SRT-4 has a lot of power for the money. That's really what makes it a fun car. However, what usually happens is that a FWD car with that much power has alot of torque steer. (pulls the steering to one side or center when under power in a staright line or turns) It is something that I really don't like as you have to fight the wheel in order for it to do something. I really need to go test drive one to get the facts down thou.

Gear ratios also play a good part in accleration. The STi has shorter gears (6spd) compared to the EVO (5 spd). There is a give in take in having shorter rations.
Good: keeps power in powerband more
Good: can have great accleration if done properly
Bad: need to shift alot
Bad: tricky 0-60 time if not done properly
I really do not know much about the SRT-4's ratios. Once again, a test drive would help sort it out:)

Davis

[xjoewhitex]

thanks for the Great explaination Davis :)

i have a video of an SRT-4 eating up and RSX and a mustang cobra, he took the cobra by a half a car, and the RSX by 2 cars, and they will beat an EVO too!!!

there is a blue EVO that is owned by Jacob Welch, he lives on Rayon Drive beside my grandma, that car is never driven, it is garage kept but I was there to witness that car in it's best form going about 100 mph and it got there quick!!!

why pay $25,000-$50,000 for a V8 when you can pay $20,000 and put $5,000 more into it and roast most every car around here or anywhere else for that matter
$20,000 vs $35,000 you make the choice

[RobbieNelson]

...and they will beat an EVO too!!!

"can" would be a better word... similar mods... both good drivers... EVO wins.


there is a blue EVO that is owned by Jacob Welch, he lives on Rayon Drive beside my grandma

ANOTHER blue one... I thought I'd be unique with blue. That make 3 in Parkersburg.

Where'd he buy it?


that car is never driven

What a shame.


it is garage kept

So is mine.

[Davis Silver Sti]

i have a video of an SRT-4 eating up and RSX and a mustang cobra, he took the cobra by a half a car, and the RSX by 2 cars, and they will beat an EVO too!!!

there is a blue EVO that is owned by Jacob Welch, he lives on Rayon Drive beside my grandma, that car is never driven, it is garage kept but I was there to witness that car in it's best form going about 100 mph and it got there quick!!!

why pay $25,000-$50,000 for a V8 when you can pay $20,000 and put $5,000 more into it and roast most every car around here or anywhere else for that matter
$20,000 vs $35,000 you make the choice

Must compare apples to apples. Many modded cars will be beat many other stock cars. Driver ability comes into play too.

Along your same theory...take a $30K Sti or EVO. Add $20K into it. You'll have a car that will destroy nearly any production car made that cost 3x what you just put into your modded Sti or EVO.

I like to compare stock cars to other stock cars. Like I said above the SRT-4 is a good bang for the buck.

[kiddefcon]

In the chillicothe area, there's 2 electric blue SRt4's that are heavily modded with 350 HP +. I have 2 friends in Chilli who are brothers and own a 330 HP Evo8 and his bro owns a stock STi. The owner of the Evo said he can't keep up with the SRt4's. :lol:

[daveb91]

Tell him to take it out of reverse then.

[Davis Silver Sti]

In the chillicothe area, there's 2 electric blue SRt4's that are heavily modded with 350 HP +. I have 2 friends in Chilli who are brothers and own a 330 HP Evo8 and his bro owns a stock STi. The owner of the Evo said he can't keep up with the SRt4's. :lol:

Wow, cool. Tell those guys to come out to an official MovFast hangout.

[ShortysTRM]

If I had the choice of receiving one of those cars for free, I would choose the STi first for it's low-end torque and (assuming) better reliability, not to mention the sound of a boxer engine. Second would be the EVO, even though it usually beats the STi in every test I've read. I love them, but I think the STi is a better investment. If I got an EVO I'd be weary of Mitsu's tactics on voiding warranties, but I'd probably end up with a Vishnu ECU and turbo-back exhaust. Third would be the SRT. Why third? Because they're free, and that's a 10K difference. For only 2/3 the cost of the others, you can have a very good base to start with...hell, it's a good car without mods lol. The new ones have a LSD. I have seen video after video of cars getting walked by SRT's. There is a huge SRT vs EVO war, and from what I've seen the SRT's are doing quite well, granted it's usually in a straight line from a roll. I have seen them win from dead stops, too, though the EVO killed him on launch...but honestly, how many times can you really drop the clutch at 5000 RPM's without tearing something up? Mitsu voids warranties for doing so, too. The SRT's low-end torque and very minimal turbo lag are very nice. In closing, I must say that I hope to have AWD in my next car, but I hope it doesn't cost $30,000 just to get a fast AWD car. One thing I forgot to mention about the STi: I hate Variable Valv Timing. I don't mean to sound redneck, but a Vette Z06 has 405 HP and 5.7L displacement, and gobs of low-end torque, and still gets 28 MPG on the highway, which is better than the EVO or the STi I believe. I just find it funny how all of these copanies think they need 80 valve 6 cam 1.4L 4 cylinders with turbos and VVT, which all equal to expensive research costs, to achieve high power and gas mileage. My fiancee's old V6 Alero got 32 MPG on the highway with 170HP and 200 lb.ft. stock (the 32 MPG was recorded with exhaust and intake) with a 3.4L pushrod V6. She has a 4 cyl. Alero now and it gets like 29 or 30 highway with 2.4L, two cams, 16 valves, and a measly 150 hp and 155 lb.ft.

[C_Note]

To follow up on the 20k beat your 30k car statement...

my 10k car would beat your 30k car...lol

Actually, with 10k, I could build an old VW Beetle that would contend on a drag strip (natrually, it's not going to do too well on a road course).

[C_Note]

why pay $25,000-$50,000 for a V8

Why pay $25-50k for a V8, period? With the same $10k forementioned, I could build one hell of a decent V8, and maybe even have a little left over for suspension work and brakes.

[Racerx300zx]

exactly lets look seriously at this, buy an old gm for oh, 300 dollars no motor, 700r4 tranny, put another 100 into an old motor, pay another 100 for the rebuild and you've got a good stock v-8 for 500, another 400 for a carb and you have an 11 second car for 900 dollars at the strip, go a little further and for around 3000 you can have a 10 second car, that handles like a dream, but still looks like crap, but, we're movfast, aren't we?

[daveb91]

i have an issue of R&T or C&D I will pull it out and give you guys the exact issue that pits all the tuner cras aginst each other at a road course set up at California speedway I do believe. there was the Cobb WRX Comptech S2000 ect ect.... And when it was all said and done a stock ZO6 handed thier ass to them. these cars had mods done to them that were either equal or greater than the value of the Corvette. Like said I will dig it up and give you prices mods and times.

[daveb91]

Sept 03 Car & Driver

03 Jackson Racing SVT focus $34770
00 Neuspeed Volks GTi $36195
03 Vortech SVT Focus $36941
03 Howell Neon $35008
02 progress RSX S $44870
02 Jackson Racing Hasport Civic Si $42408
02 DC Sports RSX S $41784
02 Mini Cooper S $44260
01 AEM Civic Ex $38832
03 Vishnu EVO $36923
03 Cobb WRX $86655
03 Millen Racing EVO $39672
01 Comptech S2000 $68386

They were all beat by a stock 04 ZO6. 8)

[kiddefcon]

Gotta love american Muscle. Nothing like standing next to a car and it being so loud it shakes your entire body......idling.

[Uber_DSM]

Gotta love american Muscle. Nothing like standing next to a car and it being so loud it shakes your entire body......idling.

yeah the sad part is the.....idling part haha

[kiddefcon]

After u mentioned travis gettin a ticket for his exhaust, i wonder what decibel my dad's car would hit....considering its only headers and no exhaust.

[Uber_DSM]

hmmm.. your dads car.. let see............25 decibles sounds about right

[kiddefcon]

Yeah, close to it anyways, tach on a couple 0's maybe..

[BLUEVOVIII]

I had to add something--> "03 Vishnu EVO $36923" .... ok lets say that you buy a new ZO6 in 2004 for $55,000. 37,000 - 55,000 = 18,000 (thats quite a bit of difference) ... ive got a friend that bought his evo for 30,000 + 25,000 (mods) = 55,000 ... the ZO6 ($55,000) has 405 hp stock and the evo ($55,000) has 600whp (no nos)...now i know that horsepower isnt the only additive to make a good race car...so the evo's suspension was also upgraded along with the tires and other goodies... now I would pit these two equally priced cars against each other and see what happens. Until then im not convinced that the ZO6 is a better car...however i will admit that "stock" the ZO6 could hand it to the evo...however i feel that there needs to be some compensation for the amount of money that is spent on the ZO6...neway juss my thoughts :lol:

[daveb91]

So the 86k Cobb wrx and the 68k s2000 are still not as fast now if I put 86k in a ZO6 i would have one hell of a car.

[kiddefcon]

With 86K and a vette, lingenfelter.....mmmmm

[Uber_DSM]

amen to the lingenfelter

[daveb91]

No its R.I.P. Lingenfelter :cry:

[BLUEVOVIII]

Juss spotted an "electric blue" SRT-4 @ Long John Silvers yesterday...first one ive seen aside from the red one going around...

[RobbieNelson]

But a Z06 is horrible at hauling the wife and two kids around.... HORRIBLE! :lol:

[RobbieNelson]

Juss spotted an "electric blue" SRT-4 @ Long John Silvers yesterday..

... but "electron blue" is much faster than "electric blue".... thought everyone knew that. :dunno:

man... did this thread get hijacked, or what? :!:

[kiddefcon]

But a Z06 is horrible at hauling the wife and two kids around.... HORRIBLE! :lol:

rofl, forget them, they can walk!

[BLUEVOVIII]

but robbie eveyone knows that the best blue has gotta be "blue by you"....

[Feedman]

... but "electron blue" is much faster than "electric blue".... thought everyone knew that. :dunno:


I second that.

Ebp fo life...... 8)

[jchouse]

sorry to bring back a dead thread

I couple days ago a burnt orange srt4 drove past when I was at work, just want to see if anyone else has seen it. Makes the car look really badass

[BLUEVOVIII]

Yeh i saw the same burnt orange SRT-4 (its an 05) @ Circuit City...he was a heavy set guy w/his wife or g/f...when i pulled out of the parking lot he was staring me down :lol:

...but the burnt orange looks awsome tho...