Latest additions to the family....

[m pwrd 3]

And they both happen to be horses :D

One is a 1965 Ford Mustang
The other is a 1 day old Paint Colt

Sorry for the bad pics my camera is a pos..

[m pwrd 3]

I will post the rest of the pics tonight, I keep getting an error when trying to load the pics. So I will put the rest up tonight, I have to go to work now.

[Jay]

Sweet, a real car posted on here for a change

[slowcavy95]

are you gonna put the paint colt in the engine bay of the stang? J/k nice car, wish i could afford something like that..

[m pwrd 3]

here are the rest..

[Jay]

6cyl car or 289? Pics arent clear enough to see if it's 4 or 5 lug

[m pwrd 3]

6cyl car or 289? Pics arent clear enough to see if it's 4 or 5 lug

It is a 6cyl car, for now. But I am going to redo the suspension and upgrade it to the v8 parts and probably put a 289 back in it.

Jay, where is the best place to buy parts for classic Stangs?

[slowcavy95]

The body on that car looks like it is in really good shape from the pics. Is there any noticable rust?

[Jay]

6cyl car or 289? Pics arent clear enough to see if it's 4 or 5 lug

It is a 6cyl car, for now. But I am going to redo the suspension and upgrade it to the v8 parts and probably put a 289 back in it.

Jay, where is the best place to buy parts for classic Stangs?

I dono bout best, but restoremustangs.com has some nice stuff for your year. It all depends on what you need really. Are you needin body parts or what?

Buddy of mine has an EFI 351 and AOD that'd look sweet in that car

[m pwrd 3]

slow, no there isnt much rust, the passanger side rear quarter has some decent rust appears to be an easy fix, there is also a small hole in the passanger side floor pan again an easy fix. Other than that the car is solid.



Jay, I thought about a 351 or even a 302 for awhile but it seems that the 65,66 year cars this is a PITA, because the engine bay is so narrow. I have read that it will fit in without any shock tower mods if you get special swap headers that are supper expensive, or cutting the shock towers and putting a mustang II front end under it.

My basic plan for right now is put the v8 or better suspension under it with the 5 lugs, put a nice 289 in with 4 speed get it painted and drive.

Also speaking of 289s does anyone have information about the 289 police interceptor engines that they put in boats in the 60's? I have a lead on one that just needs a rebuild. So my question is can I put this engine in the car and only need to change the carb, or are there other diffrences between the boat PI 289 and a standard PI 289?

[slowcavy95]

My cousin use to have a 67 stang in which he put a 302 after the 289 shat itself. It ran awesome, the bay did look a little cramped, but then again you are gonna have that when you do an engine swap the majority of the time.

[Jay]

Physically there are no differences in the size of the block between a 302 and a 289. The 351 is wider up top

Finding a toploader in good shape may not be all that easy. If you come across one I say go for it. If not I'd hunt down a t5 that way you can cruise w/5 gears.

Really it all depends on what you wana do tho. Keep it close to looking stock or not. Since it's a coupe I would go ahead and do it up however you want it. If it were a fastback I'd say keep it orig.

You going to do the 4 wheel disc setup?

Iono bout the old boat motors, but I do know some of the newer ones run backwards.
I'll do some researching an see what I come up with. I dont think there is going to be much of a dif between a standard issue 289 and an Interceptor. Maybe a more aggressive cam if anything as far as internals go. A boat motor would have a cam which would suck on the street tho.

[Jay]

So far only thing I can really come up w/are some #'s on the motor.

It's rated at 240hp while the version put into gt350's are rated just under 300hp
I would say cam, intake, and carb differences have alot to do w/this. I wouldnt think it would have dif heads but I could be wrong.

[m pwrd 3]

The guy that has the 289 has both engines, one runs standard and the other has reverse rotation. I am guessing it was off an old skinautic ski boat. I would almost like to have the reverse rotation engine just for a conversation piece.

As far as brakes for the time being I will probably just put the v8 drums on for now, but I have been looking into the Granada front disc swap, seems that works out pretty well.

What we are actually wanting to do right now is make the car a v8 compatible car, get it running, drive it some the start doing more intensive up grades. Being a 6cy car even being numbers matching would not be worth much, because lets face it who wants a 6cy Mustang. Plus the tranny has alreay been swapped out, it was an origional 3 speed car and they pulled it and put in an auto!?!?!

[slowcavy95]

The guy that has the 289 has both engines, one runs standard and the other has reverse rotation. I am guessing it was off an old skinautic ski boat. I would almost like to have the reverse rotation engine just for a conversation piece.

As far as brakes for the time being I will probably just put the v8 drums on for now, but I have been looking into the Granada front disc swap, seems that works out pretty well.

What we are actually wanting to do right now is make the car a v8 compatible car, get it running, drive it some the start doing more intensive up grades. Being a 6cy car even being numbers matching would not be worth much, because lets face it who wants a 6cy Mustang. Plus the tranny has alreay been swapped out, it was an origional 3 speed car and they pulled it and put in an auto!?!?!


Wouldnt it be a little more difficult to find parts such as an alternator or water pump when they went bad? Dont know anything about the reverse rotation, just a thought.

[m pwrd 3]

I would just like to have it as a coversation piece only, I woulnt put it in a car. plus doubt they make trannys and rear ends that work that way

[slowcavy95]

O ok, that would be cool to have around the garage...

[Jay]

O ok, that would be cool to have around the garage...

Eh, yes and no. No one would know any dif unless you told them. Motor doesnt look any dif.

You should go ahead an put it in your car.. imagine having 4 reverse gears haha. You cuold do some seriously high speed f&f type manuvers

[m pwrd 3]

Jay,

I have a few fitment questions about the Mustang. First is I have a lead on getting a late model (86) 302, do the later engines fit in the 65's bay without any problems?
Second, if I go with this 302 will the old 3 speed manual trannys bolt up to this engine?

Thanks for the help!

[Jay]

Jay,

I have a few fitment questions about the Mustang. First is I have a lead on getting a late model (86) 302, do the later engines fit in the 65's bay without any problems?
Second, if I go with this 302 will the old 3 speed manual trannys bolt up to this engine?

Thanks for the help!

302 an 289 is essentially the same motor. You can drop it in with no probs other than the obvious ones you will have in going from a 6cyl car t othe v8. Im not positive but I think the motor mounts are dif, as well as a few small things here and there.

You may have to get a new radiator.. I cant remember..

Those 3spd's suck ass. My dad had a Mach-1 with one in it..
I dont remember if the bell housing has to be changed from the 6cyl to mate to the v8 or not, but yes you can use it.

[m pwrd 3]

well I ended up getting the 3speed, and I am probably gonna go with the 302, I will need new motor mounts and the radiator also. the tranny that I got came with the v8 bellhousing. so I am gonna start piecing everything together.

[Jay]

well I ended up getting the 3speed, and I am probably gonna go with the 302, I will need new motor mounts and the radiator also. the tranny that I got came with the v8 bellhousing. so I am gonna start piecing everything together.

you gona rock the efi or go carb?
doin anything to the motor before droppin it in?

[m pwrd 3]

I am gonna go carb, prolly wont do much to the engine for the time being. Other than clean it up maybe a bit of dress up parts and probably tune up parts. Right now we are just working on getting it together and painted then upgrade it as time goes by.

Right now it is stripped down to bare metal and we will need to replace a few panels. Also going to remove all the emblems on the fenders and that piece of trim that runs along the rocker.

Needless to say we have a long ways to go.

[daveb91]

I though there was an issue with the oil pan for the newer 302, if so simple oil pan change.

[Jay]

I though there was an issue with the oil pan for the newer 302, if so simple oil pan change.

Shouldnt be, both are front sumps, or should be

I dont understand having the motor out but not rebuilding it. It's alot easier to do it rightthe first time. The motor run good not smoke ect when you got it?

[m pwrd 3]

I though there was an issue with the oil pan for the newer 302, if so simple oil pan change.

Shouldnt be, both are front sumps, or should be

I dont understand having the motor out but not rebuilding it. It's alot easier to do it rightthe first time. The motor run good not smoke ect when you got it?

the engine was pulled from an 86 gt. It didn't smoke or anything. once I actually get it I will do some checking on it. it will just need cleaned up more than anything.

[Jay]

I though there was an issue with the oil pan for the newer 302, if so simple oil pan change.

Shouldnt be, both are front sumps, or should be

I dont understand having the motor out but not rebuilding it. It's alot easier to do it rightthe first time. The motor run good not smoke ect when you got it?

the engine was pulled from an 86 gt. It didn't smoke or anything. once I actually get it I will do some checking on it. it will just need cleaned up more than anything.

Mustang GT's are owned by ppl like me tho.. they get the piss ran out of them.

[InterceptorXR7]

you sure its not a 85? 86 was the first year for fuel injection.

http://www.mustanggt.org/86gt.htm

A guy i worked with at advance was building up a mustang and putting a 302 in it, he was totally rebuilding the engine.

[Jay]

He never said it was or wasent efi, I just asked what he was going to do w/it in the car he is putting it in.

As long as its not ragged out a stock 302 with a decent intake an carb will run good in that car. Buy headers tho, dont use those stock headers, they suck.

Hard to tell what kind of gears your car has since it's a 6cyl.

I buoght another 70' fastback yesterday, that runs. Just buy it off of me an you dont gota worry bout it lol

[m pwrd 3]

As long as its not ragged out a stock 302 with a decent intake an carb will run good in that car. Buy headers tho, dont use those stock headers, they suck.

Hard to tell what kind of gears your car has since it's a 6cyl.

I buoght another 70' fastback yesterday, that runs. Just buy it off of me an you dont gota worry bout it lol

I am trying to get my hands on all the v8 suspension/brakes/rearend there is a guy within driving distance that has all this stuff. But he wont contact me back. I hate people that do that, list stuff for sale and and not call interested parties back.

I am trying to get more info on this 302 I have not actually bought it yet, just right now the top on my list.

I think I may go with the Shelby style tri-y headers, they seem pretty popular, and a good mix for the tight engine bay.

[Jay]

The tri-y's are supposed to be the best "bang-for-your-buck".
They produced more hp with a slight less tq I think.. dont remember. But yea, it's a mother changing plugs in these cars. I got a buddy who had one w/390 in it. You had to take the motor mount bolts out an jack up the motor to get to the plugs to change them.

86' model 5.0 HO motor has uhh.. 200-215ish hp, somewhere aruond there, so the rearend you have now will hold up, just hard to tell what gears are in it. You arent building a stoplight racer tho, so it would be fine for your purpose.

Is there anything stamped on the rearend, or a tag on it anywhere?


The nice thing bout stangs' is the price. Most parts you pick up are fairly cheap. If yuo dont mind alot of walking and a whole lot of gawking, go to an all ford, or the all mustang swapmeet this summer. You can pick up pretty much anything at those. Last time I went I picked up a set of lx, and 93 cobra tails for $20/set. A set of "cobra" valve covers for uhh I think like $15. And a bunch of misc, things cheap.

If the motor runs good yuo are looking into buying, I'd say go with a decent aluminum intake, something designed to make hp/tq in the lower rpm range as you arent going to be above 5800-6k, much (hopefully). It will work well with the cam that those came with from the factory. Honestly as far as carb's go, unless you want to drop alot of cash, they all suck.

[slowcavy95]

You mean you arent just gonna drop a nissan motor in it? Thats what they did in Tokyo Drift, therefore it must be good., and apparentyl everything bolts up.... :roll:

[m pwrd 3]

You mean you arent just gonna drop a nissan motor in it? Thats what they did in Tokyo Drift, therefore it must be good., and apparentyl everything bolts up.... :roll:

Well, if I had a rb26dett laying around my garage, I would consider sticking it in there. 300+ hp turbo power I would take it

[TheTrev99GP]

I would do a lot of things to a mustang(the crusher would be somewhere on the list :wink: ) but putting an import motor, no matter how much power it made, would definatley not be one of them.

[slowcavy95]

You mean you arent just gonna drop a nissan motor in it? Thats what they did in Tokyo Drift, therefore it must be good., and apparentyl everything bolts up.... :roll:

Well, if I had a rb26dett laying around my garage, I would consider sticking it in there. 300+ hp turbo power I would take it



You also have to remember, it is the "mona lisa" of cars... It has forged pistons... :shock:

[Jay]

You mean you arent just gonna drop a nissan motor in it? Thats what they did in Tokyo Drift, therefore it must be good., and apparentyl everything bolts up.... :roll:

Well, if I had a rb26dett laying around my garage, I would consider sticking it in there. 300+ hp turbo power I would take it



You also have to remember, it is the "mona lisa" of cars... It has forged pistons... :shock:


If you put a nissan motor in it, it def would be crusher material.

I have seen a few of them chevy powered tho.. talk about pissin off the ford guys

[InterceptorXR7]

He never said it was or wasent efi, I just asked what he was going to do w/it in the car he is putting it in.

As long as its not ragged out a stock 302 with a decent intake an carb will run good in that car. Buy headers tho, dont use those stock headers, they suck.

Hard to tell what kind of gears your car has since it's a 6cyl.

I buoght another 70' fastback yesterday, that runs. Just buy it off of me an you dont gota worry bout it lol

reason I gave that information, it states on there that the fuel injection engine introduced in 86 was tuned (cyl head and piston wise) for fuel injection. It might not run too well on a carb setup. but like he said, he just wants it running, so just throw an intake and a carb on it and update it from there.

[Jay]

He never said it was or wasent efi, I just asked what he was going to do w/it in the car he is putting it in.

As long as its not ragged out a stock 302 with a decent intake an carb will run good in that car. Buy headers tho, dont use those stock headers, they suck.

Hard to tell what kind of gears your car has since it's a 6cyl.

I buoght another 70' fastback yesterday, that runs. Just buy it off of me an you dont gota worry bout it lol

reason I gave that information, it states on there that the fuel injection engine introduced in 86 was tuned (cyl head and piston wise) for fuel injection. It might not run too well on a carb setup. but like he said, he just wants it running, so just throw an intake and a carb on it and update it from there.

Thats why I said buy an intake for it, dont just throw any ol' intake on there.