Pick on Adam Week....lol...

[Feedman]

I ordered a B&m Fuel pressure regulator and guage. So tonight I will throwing that on there, and looking it over, b/c I think I have a piping leak, boost isn't building as quickly as I would like....need to retighten all the connections.

Maybe if the weather holds off, a nice wash and a quick wax....

Well see on my energy level tonight.... 8)

Maybe u should have bought a car that already had a turbo on it 8)

j/k

hope you get you car sorted out..no fun if it keeps giving you problems


Nah, I enjoy the challenge.....pretty soon, my N/a car turned turbo will hold its own agaisn't Sti's :P ......then I will work on the handling this winter....get it all nice and ready for a healthy dose of auto-x in the spring time... 8)

[superchargedgsr]

and hold its own for well under half the price of an STI...

[Feedman]

and hold its own for well under half the price of an STI...

Ditto..... 8)

[superchargedgsr]

I may be picking up my own black 99 si....127,000 miles, for 6200..gonna offer 5700..may go and check it out this weekend...inless the GSR is finally running....hopefully all set by this friday....and the crx should be on the road friday evening, cant wait to see what 140 horse in that little car does...

[RobbieNelson]

and hold its own for well under half the price of an STI...

On the drag strip maybe.... and it won't hold a candle to the STi in the snow. Should I go into autocross, roadcourses or anything that involves turning?

How much total investment do you have in that car Adam? (be sure to include everything)

[superchargedgsr]

didnt know there was alot of racing in the snow..every FWD car I have ever owned got me around just fine in the winter/snow, not like we get that much snow around here...who would drive $35,000 car in the snow....

[Feedman]

and hold its own for well under half the price of an STI...

On the drag strip maybe.... and it won't hold a candle to the STi in the snow. Should I go into autocross, roadcourses or anything that involves turning?

How much total investment do you have in that car Adam? (be sure to include everything)

umm, I bought the car for $10500. I have a loan for $5500 and owe a little over $3000.

With that said I am @ the 2k mark as far as turbo mods go and another 300 for tires.

So obviously way less than 3k total. Closer to $2500. So for $15000 thousand less than a new Sti/Evo, I can have Sti/Evo power, and handling...just don't have the big montly payment....and big insurance payment...

He he... :wink:

[RobbieNelson]

So obviously way less than 3k total. Closer to $2500. So for $15000 thousand less than a new Sti/Evo, I can have Sti/Evo power, and handling...just don't have the big montly payment....and big insurance payment...

If Davis isn't gonna jump in and throw some friendly punches, I'm not gonna waste my time arguing. I'll just make a few comments.

My insurance did not go up when I traded cars.
I drive my car in the snow. I even make excuses for my wife to get to go do it.
I'd like some proof that you can hang with an EVO or STi. Anywhere.



P.S. Please take this as a friendly chat. I have a lot of respect for what Adam has done to his car.

[Uber_DSM]

Yeah thats a good way to put it... but say someone with an Evo/Sti put just as much mods as you have.... thent heres a diff, but also still a lot more money. Id settle for the Si

[Feedman]

Yeah thats a good way to put it... but say someone with an Evo/Sti put just as much mods as you have.... thent heres a diff, but also still a lot more money. Id settle for the Si

Without a doubt the Evo/Sti is a better car all around. I can't compete with that. I am happy with what I have. I do know that my hp per dollar spent is far superior than the Evo/Sti. But with that said there is also more about a car than Hp numbers.

"Hang" doesn't always mean win.

Once its tuned, and we visit the track again, 1/4 mile hopefully, I honestly think I can pull Jordans Evo through the traps....

My car shines on the back end, I know this, b/c I caught up to many "faster" cars @ the end of the 1/8th. Turbo spool > me.... 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

ding ding..round 2


(haven't we done this before?)

Adam, total up all the mods you have + value of car + time that you have worked on your car. (I realise labor on your car is free, but the value lost to it not running isn't) This will give you an idea of an overall performance to dollar figure.

I'll guess and say that your Honda is still less expensive to the performance factor of the STi...but I bet mine has been in less need of repair than yours. (STi in for a reflash took Sube dealer 5 mins)
What good is a car if you can't enjoy it most of the time?

don't get me wrong, I think modding cars is fun (modded my Alfa's and RS before the STi) and can learn alot from. But there comes a time where I needed an all-weather car that had great performance.

Here are some numbers or goals you can shoot for:0

STi Numbers:
1/4= 13.0-13.1 secs
0-60= 4.6 sec.
AutoX course= top 10-15 overall
snow= fast and fun

[MnAiXsImMoA]

As far "hanging" with an evo the 2nd time we went to the drag strip before adam's car went back to hell he was keeping even/beating jordan's evo most of the time (especially when jordan misses 2nd :lol: ) and its pretty common knowledge that the sti's are slower than evo's and yes the little honda won't beat either of those car in anything involving turns , but not many cars do..........and noone on here know's the internals of their car like Adam and that is something he saves assloads of money on everyday.

[Feedman]

As far "hanging" with an evo the 2nd time we went to the drag strip before adam's car went back to hell he was keeping even/beating jordan's evo most of the time (especially when jordan misses 2nd :lol: ) and its pretty common knowledge that the sti's are slower than evo's and yes the little honda won't beat either of those car in anything involving turns , but not many cars do..........and noone on here know's the internals of their car like Adam and that is something he saves assloads of money on everyday.

Thanks Cam.

I disagree Davis, my time is free. Like tonight for example, if I wasn't installing the regulator, I would be sitting on the internet or watching tv? At least I am doing something productive, and learning something. Two birds w/one stone.

Yea sometimes the little things do suck, such as an exhuast leak, but thats the price you pay....still, its well worth it...

8) 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

As far "hanging" with an evo the 2nd time we went to the drag strip before adam's car went back to hell he was keeping even/beating jordan's evo most of the time (especially when jordan misses 2nd :lol: ) and its pretty common knowledge that the sti's are slower than evo's and yes the little honda won't beat either of those car in anything involving turns , but not many cars do..........and noone on here know's the internals of their car like Adam and that is something he saves assloads of money on everyday.

Thanks Cam.

I disagree Davis, my time is free. Like tonight for example, if I wasn't installing the regulator, I would be sitting on the internet or watching tv? At least I am doing something productive, and learning something. Two birds w/one stone.

Yea sometimes the little things do suck, such as an exhuast leak, but thats the price you pay....still, its well worth it...

8) 8)

If your time is free, that is great. I totally agree that modding > TV:)
Everybody values time in their own ways. While it would be fun to spend a few hrs a week on the car, I can't. Between all the stuff I have to do at work, family-2 kids and other obligations...its just not easy...that is why my "time" is not free:(


Hey like we've said before, whatever is important to themselves.

[Davis Silver Sti]

As far "hanging" with an evo the 2nd time we went to the drag strip before adam's car went back to hell he was keeping even/beating jordan's evo most of the time (especially when jordan misses 2nd :lol: ) and its pretty common knowledge that the sti's are slower than evo's .

Hmm, I didn't know that. Actually, most if not all the Auto magazines proved that the STi is a bit quicker than the EVO.

0-60= 4.6---5.0 sec.

1/4 times of 13.0--13.5 secs.

BUT, I'm asked this question alot and I have always said that both the STi and the EVO are equal. One has better speed (STi) and the other has better handling(EVO). That equals out in my book. I've also driven an EVO at speed and come away with same conclusion.
Remember..compare apples to apples.

However, in the end, the Volare will still kick our arses' for all-around performacne car:)

[superchargedgsr]

isnt the 05 evo, suppose to be 4.1 0-60? thought I read that somewhere....I am with adam on this one....even though my car may run 80% of the time...its still alot more fun to build them from the ground up...I could of went out and bought an evo or STI, almost did buy an evo...I am with robbie on the insurance....an evo for me full, 0-comp, 250 collision, was 225 cheaper a 6 months than my GSR is...why I do not know...GSR 740, EVO was 515...maybe the whole marriage/kid then....beats me....but I love my GSR, fun to work on, looks good, even if it does give me headaches....ALL THE TIME

[Davis Silver Sti]

isnt the 05 evo, suppose to be 4.1 0-60? thought I read that somewhere....I am with adam on this one....even though my car may run 80% of the time...its still alot more fun to build them from the ground up...I could of went out and bought an evo or STI, almost did buy an evo...I am with robbie on the insurance....an evo for me full, 0-comp, 250 collision, was 225 cheaper a 6 months than my GSR is...why I do not know...GSR 740, EVO was 515...maybe the whole marriage/kid then....beats me....but I love my GSR, fun to work on, looks good, even if it does give me headaches....ALL THE TIME

No, the 03-04 Evo's (like Robbie's) is the "normal" EVO. The MR edition EVO if and when it comes out is lighter and faster. I believe a very quick 0-60 time of 4.5 or so is expected! Hard to say if it will come to USDM but we surely hope so. It is made mostly for the club racers, rally and serious track cars. It has no AC, radio or anything that would be used for luxury.

(Robbie plese correct me if I'm wrong)

That sure is weird about your insurance. I can't quote mine accurately cause its mixed in with house and stuff.

[superchargedgsr]

my rsx was higher than the gsr even, dont know, guess they think acuras are race cars or something

[Feedman]

As far "hanging" with an evo the 2nd time we went to the drag strip before adam's car went back to hell he was keeping even/beating jordan's evo most of the time (especially when jordan misses 2nd :lol: ) and its pretty common knowledge that the sti's are slower than evo's .

Hmm, I didn't know that. Actually, most if not all the Auto magazines proved that the STi is a bit quicker than the EVO.

0-60= 4.6---5.0 sec.

1/4 times of 13.0--13.5 secs.

BUT, I'm asked this question alot and I have always said that both the STi and the EVO are equal. One has better speed (STi) and the other has better handling(EVO). That equals out in my book. I've also driven an EVO at speed and come away with same conclusion.
Remember..compare apples to apples.

However, in the end, the Volare will still kick our arses' for all-around performacne car:)

Tell ya what Davis. Once the car is tuned and in good order here in the next few weeks, I challenge you to a small trip to Columbus.

I know drag racing isn't your thing, but it can't hurt to go once. Si vs Sti.

Best outta three....

8) 8)

[Feedman]

Anyway...I got the regulator on, tightened a few clamps, seems to hold boost, although I was watching my a/f guage, and it seems to be running lean.

So I added some fuel, actually alot, still running different. Definatly needs tuned....thats for sure...

Overal, the install went pretty easy, I enjoyed it, I had to cut the top off of the fuel regulator with a hack saw...I know I am sure everyone is thinking "ghetto" but thats what the instructions say. Its from B&m as I stated earlier. It actually modifies the exisiting regulator, instead of replacing the unit as a whole.

Dyno here I come...I can't wait...run smooth, make good power and get my mpg back... 8) 8)

[superchargedgsr]

well lol....glad the install went well....wish I knew you were looking for the regulator and gauge...sold the set i had unused on ebay for 40 bucks about 2 weeks ago, maybe you got yours cheaper though....

I really dont know if I would be making challenges like that against an STI though...I mean when you wake up in the morning your car is still a civic....not made for a turbo but has one on it....even with the proper tuning, you will still have problems with it....why do you think there are 10 or so SI's on ebay daily with turbo kits on them....every teenage across this country has a civic....si's with turbos, dime a dozen, same as gsr's with jrsc...STI and EVO, are rare, and awesome...not every teenager has one....inless they have a rich dad/mom.....now maybe if you had a civic type r, or integra R...

but I would race an STI in my car...on a dragstrip, not on turns or anything....if I get beat so what? back to the garage to try and get more power....I was going to go turbo, but i wanted something more reliable (screw JR), and where did that get me? my car stuck in the garage for 3 months

[Davis Silver Sti]

As far "hanging" with an evo the 2nd time we went to the drag strip before adam's car went back to hell he was keeping even/beating jordan's evo most of the time (especially when jordan misses 2nd :lol: ) and its pretty common knowledge that the sti's are slower than evo's .

Hmm, I didn't know that. Actually, most if not all the Auto magazines proved that the STi is a bit quicker than the EVO.

0-60= 4.6---5.0 sec.

1/4 times of 13.0--13.5 secs.

BUT, I'm asked this question alot and I have always said that both the STi and the EVO are equal. One has better speed (STi) and the other has better handling(EVO). That equals out in my book. I've also driven an EVO at speed and come away with same conclusion.
Remember..compare apples to apples.

However, in the end, the Volare will still kick our arses' for all-around performacne car:)

Tell ya what Davis. Once the car is tuned and in good order here in the next few weeks, I challenge you to a small trip to Columbus.

I know drag racing isn't your thing, but it can't hurt to go once. Si vs Sti.

Best outta three....

8) 8)

While it would be interesting to see the 2 cars go head to head...I like my clutch too much to do smoky launches at the strip. Plus like SC GSR said, after we run...then what? I'm afraid I'd get bored doing dragstrip. It really just doesn't interest me enough.

Instead of having 13 seconds of fun at a time, I'd rather have 80+ secs of fun (AutoX) or better yet, a whole weekend running at nothing more than redline thru gears 1-5 and taking turns at scary speeds at Mid-Ohio raceway.
http://www.midohio.com/sportscarcourse/ ... gedmap.asp (http://www.midohio.com/sportscarcourse/track/enlargedmap.asp)

right click save as for vid clip here:
http://www.pcaucr.org/pcaucr/videos/MidOhio.wmv

I'll have my own videos up sometime next week of Robbie and I at Mid-Ohio!

While the dragstrip does give a "performance" rating for a car and can be compared in equal terms between cars and locations, its just not my cup of tea...or beer for that matter.

Sorry, I didn't mean to stray off topic from the gauage install. Actaully I'd like to see your setup again sometime. That is one thing that I'll have for next year's HPDE lapping event...Boost, EGT and oil pressure gauges. Have you instaleed gauges before? Difficult? Mechanical or electric? Which is better?

Truly,

[superchargedgsr]

installed all my own gauges...elec. water temp and oil temp...air/fuel...volt and boost gauge...very easy on honda/acuras...dont know about and STI....had an EGT installed on my mazdaspeed, was not hard at all

[Davis Silver Sti]

installed all my own gauges...elec. water temp and oil temp...air/fuel...volt and boost gauge...very easy on honda/acuras...dont know about and STI....had an EGT installed on my mazdaspeed, was not hard at all

Sweet. Now I know who to ask for on hints installing that stuff:)

[superchargedgsr]

honda.acura are very easy...they make water temp and oil temp adapters...water fits in the middle of my upper rad. hose...and the oil temp goes in between the oil filter and engine....but i am sure all those are universal adapters....made it very eay to hook, just running the wires through the firewall was the hardest part....and the EGT plugged into an adapter that came with the kit and screw in right below the turbo mani on the mazdapseed, again hardest part running the wires through the firewall

[Feedman]

Normally guages aren't to hard. Its running the wires for power and the lines. If anything its time consuming.

I went with all manual guages. B/c I have seen where other people have went electircal, and the ecu and sensors tend to skew the readings some. Where a mechanical guage gives you more accuare data, assuming its a reliable brand.

I have boost and oil pressure and a borrowed A/f guage. I am looking into a nice wideband 02 for my car. I would also like an Egt guage. They are a little more in depth and a little more expensive. You have to pull the manifold off the car. Drill and tap usually the #3 runner. Seperate the turbo from the manifold, and blow out the metal shavings. Reinstall the parts then run the lines and get power. So its prolly the most involved of any of the guages.

Its on my list. Davis I would recommend an Egt if you are going to run WOT for any long period of time...especially in the higher gears....

That is very important to monitor.


Back to the drag strip. Yes its not your cup of tea, I can apprecaite that. But going ONE time isn't going to kill you or your clutch. There is no need whatsoever to do a smoky burnout on street tires. Gets you nowhere fast. Everyone states it doesn't take any skill to run in a straight line. Totally disagree. Launching a car, is very hard. A good awd car should be in the sub 1.9's as far as 60fts go. A good Fwd car should be in the 2.1's. The reason I challenge you is b/c I feel it would be a good close race, assuming we both get good launches and don't mis shift.

I thought it would be a good movFast event. Get us out one last time maybe late September or early October before the lanes close. Just an idea.

I have perfect confidence in my car that it can hold its own. To me anyone can go take out a loan and buy an expensive car, but how many poeple can make a SLOW CAR FAST ?

If you do not accept my challenge, I will understand thats admitting defeat..... 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

Back to the drag strip. Yes its not your cup of tea, I can apprecaite that. But going ONE time isn't going to kill you or your clutch. There is no need whatsoever to do a smoky burnout on street tires. Gets you nowhere fast. Everyone states it doesn't take any skill to run in a straight line. Totally disagree. Launching a car, is very hard. A good awd car should be in the sub 1.9's as far as 60fts go. A good Fwd car should be in the 2.1's. The reason I challenge you is b/c I feel it would be a good close race, assuming we both get good launches and don't mis shift.

I thought it would be a good movFast event. Get us out one last time maybe late September or early October before the lanes close. Just an idea.

I have perfect confidence in my car that it can hold its own. To me anyone can go take out a loan and buy an expensive car, but how many poeple can make a SLOW CAR FAST ?

If you do not accept my challenge, I will understand thats admitting defeat..... 8)

Get to know the the rear of my car well...you'll be seeing alot of it at the dragstrip. Muhahahah

Ok, a drag would be interesting and maybe even fun. Yes, I've heard launching the car is tricky and takes some experience to get it right. You probably don't know this but draggin' a STi is a bit sacr-religious in the Sube world. Its not built to be driven straight, its built for all-weather conditions in varying terrains just like the World Rally Championship "555" car.

To drag or not to drag...

It really depends on my time that I can get out and play. With family duties, I'm able to just make the 1 per month autoX to Charleston. If I'm not ableto make it to Columbus, then I'm sure they'll be a STi up there somethere that'll have fun with ya.

"but how many poeple can make a SLOW CAR FAST ?"

How many people can make a fast car even faster? Stay tuned for next year when I come out of A-stock with some added goodies to the car:) While you might be maxed out in performance...I haven't even started :lol:

Anyways, I hope you (and anybody else reading this) is taking all of this as merely poking fun and not too seriously...I sure as am just having fun with it.

Thanks for the info on gauges...Maybe later on we can install them together....you can show me how to do the install, I can show you how to drive:)...(once again, just messin around)

Take it easy 8)

[superchargedgsr]

not that difficult to make a slow car fast....if you wanna make a slow car fast....why dont you take a honda cx and make it fast....that would be a little different than taking an SI and making it fast...a 16 yr old girl can bolt a turbo onto a honda civic....not everyone can afford an STI or EVO...and my mazdaspeed i did not have to drill in and tap into the manifold...it had an extra plug in it for some reason, in the downpipe, was not to difficult....and my cost on an EGT was around 100 bucks....with the probe kit...you guys need to tell me you want things like this, my EGT went on ebay for 85 bucks

[daveb91]

Hijacking Hoes! " My cars faster than yours whahwhah!" ZO6 Owns you all!
Any ways Adam did you get the gauge that bolts up to the banjo fitting on the filter under the hood? Thats the one I have works good for what it is.

[Feedman]

not that difficult to make a slow car fast....if you wanna make a slow car fast....why dont you take a honda cx and make it fast....that would be a little different than taking an SI and making it fast...a 16 yr old girl can bolt a turbo onto a honda civic....not everyone can afford an STI or EVO...and my mazdaspeed i did not have to drill in and tap into the manifold...it had an extra plug in it for some reason, in the downpipe, was not to difficult....and my cost on an EGT was around 100 bucks....with the probe kit...you guys need to tell me you want things like this, my EGT went on ebay for 85 bucks


lol....hmm...you tell me its easy to make an si fast, this coming from a guy who doesn't do ANY of his own engine work....installing guages and stereos don't count....nothing personal, but its not exactly bolting it on and going....thats a huge misconception...and those are the people that blow cars up....Could I have bought a $30k car. Absolutly. Why didn't I. I tend to value my free time more than working 40+ hrs a week just to make the car payment. I didn't want that holding me down. I figure I will be working my whole life, so while I can take advantage of not having to work full time, I might as well better.



Davis, I am sure I would be in the same boat if I had a family. Thats something to be proud of, cars would be a far second to the home life. But saying an Sti is only for auto-x or winter is like saying my civic was only built for going back and forth to walmart to get groceries and good gas milage. We all know that isn't true. Yes, I am just arguing to have a fun conversation, actually enjoying it alot. One of the better convo's I think we have had here in a while.



Dave, yes I did get the banjo fitting for the fuel pump guage. I was amazed how simple and easy it was...took me longer to get the guage out of the shrink wrap than to install it...lol.... 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

not that difficult to make a slow car fast....if you wanna make a slow car fast....why dont you take a honda cx and make it fast....that would be a little different than taking an SI and making it fast...a 16 yr old girl can bolt a turbo onto a honda civic....not everyone can afford an STI or EVO...and my mazdaspeed i did not have to drill in and tap into the manifold...it had an extra plug in it for some reason, in the downpipe, was not to difficult....and my cost on an EGT was around 100 bucks....with the probe kit...you guys need to tell me you want things like this, my EGT went on ebay for 85 bucks


lol....hmm...you tell me its easy to make an si fast, this coming from a guy who doesn't do ANY of his own engine work....installing guages and stereos don't count....nothing personal, but its not exactly bolting it on and going....thats a huge misconception...and those are the people that blow cars up....Could I have bought a $30k car. Absolutly. Why didn't I. I tend to value my free time more than working 40+ hrs a week just to make the car payment. I didn't want that holding me down. I figure I will be working my whole life, so while I can take advantage of not having to work full time, I might as well better.



Davis, I am sure I would be in the same boat if I had a family. Thats something to be proud of, cars would be a far second to the home life. But saying an Sti is only for auto-x or winter is like saying my civic was only built for going back and forth to walmart to get groceries and good gas milage. We all know that isn't true. Yes, I am just arguing to have a fun conversation, actually enjoying it alot. One of the better convo's I think we have had here in a while.



Dave, yes I did get the banjo fitting for the fuel pump guage. I was amazed how simple and easy it was...took me longer to get the guage out of the shrink wrap than to install it...lol.... 8)

Actually, the Sti is for getting groceries, going to work, hauling 4 people around, driving thru a blizzard, AutoX'ing, rallycross and Lapping at Mid-Ohio.

About the drags...produce a timeslip on your car that shows anything better than a 13.0sec 1/4, and 0-60 in under 4.8 secs...and then I'll start listening to the "my car is better than your car" mentality:)
Add a skidpad # there too for fun.

At first I thought you might have been joking about the Si vs. STi thing...now I figured you actually think it will out drag it. That's entertainment. I'm going to guess and say you have been hangin out at clubSi too long.

To each their own right?



However, your car will probably beat me in one thing.......better gas mileage.

Still in good fun thou..

[superchargedgsr]

dont do any of my own engine work? because I didnt install my supercharger? whoa boy...shoot me for being able to afford to have someone do it for me....I just swapped motors in my crx.....tore apart my GSR head i bought, just about an hour ago....lol what more do you want me to do....and as far as you value your time more....you have a cheap car payment, and I am sure you live with your parents....you have never said otherwise on here....if I live with my parents...I would have twice the car I have now....how about I go buy the 99 si I found for 5700, do the same mods you have done....then we will have the same car...except that will be my daily driver...and for you, the SI is your pride and joy....damn dude and I thought you were a pretty cool guy

[Feedman]

dont do any of my own engine work? because I didnt install my supercharger? whoa boy...shoot me for being able to afford to have someone do it for me....I just swapped motors in my crx.....tore apart my GSR head i bought, just about an hour ago....lol what more do you want me to do....and as far as you value your time more....you have a cheap car payment, and I am sure you live with your parents....you have never said otherwise on here....if I live with my parents...I would have twice the car I have now....how about I go buy the 99 si I found for 5700, do the same mods you have done....then we will have the same car...except that will be my daily driver...and for you, the SI is your pride and joy....damn dude and I thought you were a pretty cool guy


I am not here to upset anyone. I don't have a problem with you or anyone here. But, at the same time, I am not going to have you tell me a baby could install a turbo and have it run the same. I don't appreciate people talking down to me, friends or not. I told you a while back, if you needed help with anything, I would be more than happy to help you, and that offer still stands. I haven't said anything bad about your car. You started it, I am just responding to your accusations. Its all good, I don't care one way or another.

There is a difference between "affording" to have someone work on my car and doing it myself. I CHOOSE to and guess what, the side effect is that I save money. OMG. What do you say, I choose to do the work myself. I must be insane, no I just enjoy getting my hands dirty and learning a little something. To me its actually relaxing, assuming I fix whatever I am working on, its a challenge per say.

YOU swapped motors? Every pic I saw was of another guy in your engine bay, cutting, hitting, etc. Thats all I have to go on. Btw, quit playing the "I can afford it card". I don't dump thousands upon thousands of dollars into my car, b/c cars are a LOSING investment. I rather put the money I save by working on my car myself, into accounts that make me money.

So what if I live with my parents. B/c you don't, that makes you better than me? Sorry, disagree. Again, I choose to. While I finish up school, thats MORE $$ I can save. Why spend hundreds of dollars each month for rent, that I will never see again. Yea thats smart.

I drive an Si. You got one thing correct. I have never proclaimed my car to be the best. Actually far from it. Its not the fastest and never will be. Its just fun to see if the little 4 banger can hold its own agaisn't larger displacement engines or factory turbo cars. Thats all, win or lose. To me its the enjoyment, not the outcome, although winning never hurts...lol This all started as a fun game, that has gotten out of hand. I enjoy my car, I like my car, and I am happy with my car.

I would love for you and I to make a trip to the 8th or 1/4 and run. You know what, if you would win, and thats a very good possibilty, after the run I would say, "Great run" and shake your hand. B/c in the end, even though you may have not done 100% of the work yourself, I would still repsect the fact that you launched the car, and drove it well to the end. That is something that everyone can't do, @ least very well.

My car doesn't make me any better a person with or without it. Posessions don't make me who I am. The clothes I have/wear don't make me who I am. Money doesn't make me who I am.

Friends and Family make me who I am today. I have the respect of alot of people, and that is something nobody can take away.

Your turn... 8)

[Feedman]

not that difficult to make a slow car fast....if you wanna make a slow car fast....why dont you take a honda cx and make it fast....that would be a little different than taking an SI and making it fast...a 16 yr old girl can bolt a turbo onto a honda civic....not everyone can afford an STI or EVO...and my mazdaspeed i did not have to drill in and tap into the manifold...it had an extra plug in it for some reason, in the downpipe, was not to difficult....and my cost on an EGT was around 100 bucks....with the probe kit...you guys need to tell me you want things like this, my EGT went on ebay for 85 bucks


lol....hmm...you tell me its easy to make an si fast, this coming from a guy who doesn't do ANY of his own engine work....installing guages and stereos don't count....nothing personal, but its not exactly bolting it on and going....thats a huge misconception...and those are the people that blow cars up....Could I have bought a $30k car. Absolutly. Why didn't I. I tend to value my free time more than working 40+ hrs a week just to make the car payment. I didn't want that holding me down. I figure I will be working my whole life, so while I can take advantage of not having to work full time, I might as well better.



Davis, I am sure I would be in the same boat if I had a family. Thats something to be proud of, cars would be a far second to the home life. But saying an Sti is only for auto-x or winter is like saying my civic was only built for going back and forth to walmart to get groceries and good gas milage. We all know that isn't true. Yes, I am just arguing to have a fun conversation, actually enjoying it alot. One of the better convo's I think we have had here in a while.



Dave, yes I did get the banjo fitting for the fuel pump guage. I was amazed how simple and easy it was...took me longer to get the guage out of the shrink wrap than to install it...lol.... 8)

Actually, the Sti is for getting groceries, going to work, hauling 4 people around, driving thru a blizzard, AutoX'ing, rallycross and Lapping at Mid-Ohio.

About the drags...produce a timeslip on your car that shows anything better than a 13.0sec 1/4, and 0-60 in under 4.8 secs...and then I'll start listening to the "my car is better than your car" mentality:)
Add a skidpad # there too for fun.

At first I thought you might have been joking about the Si vs. STi thing...now I figured you actually think it will out drag it. That's entertainment. I'm going to guess and say you have been hangin out at clubSi too long.

To each their own right?



However, your car will probably beat me in one thing.......better gas mileage.

Still in good fun thou..

Oh Davis. Where do I begin....lol? Please don't think I actually for one second believe my car is "better" in anyway shape or form. I just thought it would be a VERY interesting run. I am going on the simple fact that Jordan runs more boost than a standard Evo and I reel him in @ the end of the 8th. Who is to say he wouldn't end up passing me later? I do know that Sti's/Evo's are fairly close in the quarter, usually a drivers race, from what I have seen, but I could be wrong. Just b/c your car is supposed to be a 13.0 second car, doesn't mean you can pilot it there.

I think its cool to be the underdog. Thats where I am @. So maybe you can see where I am coming from. I respect your car and your driving skills.

My car still has alot of power left in it. I haven't even begun to tear into the internals of the engine yet. There are guys with a built bottom end running 12's easily. Many have dipped into the 11's. But when its all said and done, it will still be a civic. So once this is all completed, tuned and safe, I am gonna keep it, finish my schooling, get a house, start a family(if I'm lucky) and get a REAL car. Sti or ZO6. 8) 8)

[RobbieNelson]

Everyone calm down. Where the heck did this turn bad? We are all SUPPOSED to be here because we like cars/automobiles. Why argue? What's the point? I thuroughly enjoy my car! I even let other people enjoy my car. I enjoy talking to people about their cars. I enjoy helping people out with their cars. I enjoy educating people about cars. Where's that "Arguing on the internet is DUMB" picture? Go turn a wrench and enjoy your favorite frosty beverage.



Did Davis mention that we're headed to Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Friday?!?! :rock: :driving:

[MnAiXsImMoA]

Everyone calm down. Where the heck did this turn bad? We are all SUPPOSED to be here because we like cars/automobiles. Why argue? What's the point? I thuroughly enjoy my car! I even let other people enjoy my car. I enjoy talking to people about their cars. I enjoy helping people out with their cars. I enjoy educating people about cars. Where's that "Arguing on the internet is DUMB" picture? Go turn a wrench and enjoy your favorite frosty beverage.



Did Davis mention that we're headed to Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Friday?!?! :rock: :driving:


ditto that nuttin better then kikkin back for the night with a car in your garage ready for its next mod 8) (hehe even if it isn't my car i still love walking out my garage door and seeing the evo in there) no need saying that one car is better than another that is like watchin the Olympics and saying a sprinter is better than a marathon runner every car has it's own purpose the point of this site is enjoying your car and talking to everyone else about their car and giving them suggestions on the next thing for their car or why it might be blowing up :lol:

[Feedman]

Everyone calm down. Where the heck did this turn bad? We are all SUPPOSED to be here because we like cars/automobiles. Why argue? What's the point? I thuroughly enjoy my car! I even let other people enjoy my car. I enjoy talking to people about their cars. I enjoy helping people out with their cars. I enjoy educating people about cars. Where's that "Arguing on the internet is DUMB" picture? Go turn a wrench and enjoy your favorite frosty beverage.



Did Davis mention that we're headed to Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course Friday?!?! :rock: :driving:


If we calm down, what fun is that....jeez...always good to get heated discussion going, gets the blood pumping....I enjoy it, I hope you guys do.... 8)

[Smooth_Puddin]

Wow this thread really shows the ignorance of you guys.

Am I the only one that thinks the driver is the one that influences the outcome of the race and not the car?

Just because you saw on T.V or in a magazine that your car can do 0-60 in 4.1 and the 1/4 in 13.1 does not mean you can do that yourself considering its usually a professional doing all the testing.

Ever see the video of the cocky kid with a stock STi that had a couple of racing schools under his belt(which is alot more than most people) race a pro driver in a stock Neon.(No it was not the SRT 4) Caught him by turn 3 and passed on turn 4 even though he was blown away by at least 10 car lengths at the start.

My idea of fun racing is totally different than most.

Like for instance

This Friday I will be racing with my brother in a CRX on a dirt track in Coolville Ohio. Really competitive, your dont have to race a clock and you can slam into your opponent anytime you please. Its basically like Days of Thunder with 4 cylinders.

On Sunday we will be racing at another dirt track with my demo derby car, a 1989 Toyota Camry 5 Speed. The fun thing about this track is you dont need a roll cage, racing seat, harness or fire suit. Most people just drive there cars their and bash out their windows and race. The races here are usually endurace races, like 100 laps or so, so it should be fun.
We stand out like sore thumbs caus we are the only city kids there racing.

Then on Tuesday I will be in the demo derby, not really racing, but fun none the less. Just as long as I dont snap my neck when I hit someone going 30 :D

I would like to have a fast daily driving car, but usually you cant drive over 35 legally around town and 65 on the interstate, so I say why bother. Your just tempted to get a ticket.

Oh and to get back on topic a bit

Adam, if all you can muster is low 9's( which is very respecatable) then I sure as hell wouldnt be challenging an STi especailly if you havent been at the track that much. Just speaking from experience, I have been in a lot of turbo hondas and most couldnt even touch an STi or EVo at the strip. From a rolling start though thats a different story

looky here

http://www.apexracingmedia.net/hai/Hung-vs-Stu.wmv

Heres his junkyard setup

1990 Acura Integra with the stock block (just over 170,000 miles). I put together a turbo kit. The basics are a T3/T04e with a .48 turbine housing and a .60 compressor housing. 38mm wastegate, maxrev, or rev hard mani, I can't remember. Percision intercooler (6"x18"x3"). DSM BOV, first gen of course. DSM 450's, SAFC, Walbro fuel pump, AEM AFPR. 2.5" exhaust from the DP back. No cat, resonator and muffler. Sounds excellent, no gay bee sounds.

[Feedman]

Totally agree. Driver makes all the difference. On paper is one thing, getting the car to correspond is another.

Correct, the best I did to date was a 9.0x @ 80mph. That puts me in the high 13's. But and this is a BIG but, turbo Honda's shine during the back half. 1/8th miles aren't going to be our strong areas b/c of torque, or lack thereoff.

My car doesn't even want to get out of its own way until 4k on the tach....tuning issue I believe. Once I am moving, and get the rpms up I am good to go. I honestly feel my car is a mid 13 second car.

So if an Sti can run a 13.0 flat, and I am good for a mid-high 13's without slicks, I could very easily compete with a stock Sti, assuming I had slicks and some practice launchin with them. It would be a drivers race.

With that said, I don't beleive I am out of line....? Or am I? 8)

[ben2000formula]

Adam your car is very fasy for what you have do to it, i remeber on 77 that night. i was so impressed by your car.

I like the STi and the Evo, but just would never own one. I still respect them though, that you can take them to the auto-x, road course, and then go run a mid 13 second quarter mile time, drive it daily through three feet of snow.

If i had the money, and was looking for a new car nowadays i would probably just buy an 03/04 cobra, but that is just me because i don't get into the whole autocross thing.

just my .02

[Davis Silver Sti]

This Friday I will be racing with my brother in a CRX on a dirt track in Coolville Ohio. Really competitive, your dont have to race a clock and you can slam into your opponent anytime you please. Its basically like Days of Thunder with 4 cylinders.

On Sunday we will be racing at another dirt track with my demo derby car, a 1989 Toyota Camry 5 Speed. The fun thing about this track is you dont need a roll cage, racing seat, harness or fire suit. Most people just drive there cars their and bash out their windows and race. The races here are usually endurace races, like 100 laps or so, so it should be fun.
We stand out like sore thumbs caus we are the only city kids there racing.

Then on Tuesday I will be in the demo derby, not really racing, but fun none the less. Just as long as I dont snap my neck when I hit someone going 30 :D

.

That sounds like a bunch of fun. I have a co-worker that does some enduros. I'd really love to try it sometime...to me that would be more exciting than going in a straight line.
Keep us posted on how you run (racing section maybe) and any big moments you encounter!

[Racerx300zx]

Yeah, but no matter how good I drive, the escorts not gonna beat an evo or an sti :D

[superchargedgsr]

maybe they will miss 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th gears

[Davis Silver Sti]

maybe they will miss 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th gears

you guys crack me up.

However I still think the Volare will beat us all.

[ShortysTRM]

I have no idea how I missed this topic until now...
Adam, I would love to see this race. I'll show up with "I Love You Adam" signs. I'll have my fiancee flash you some boobs lol. We live with my PARENTS, so I feel for you. I can't afford an EVO or an STi. Evo's have beaten the STi in EVERY test that I have ever read, but I'd probably rather have the STi. The STi has low-end torque, and I think that's important, although it's because it stabbed its heritage in the back and added a half a liter of displacement. Also, boxer engines sound great. But, everyone knows that they're both fast cars, so no one is surprised. They have 10 foot wings and crazy body kits, HID's, hood scoops, and big wheels. Adam's car is a stock looking civic with some wheels on it. I would race Adam in a heartbeat, but would be much more impressed when he beat me than if some lucky bastard in a $30K AWD was to beat me. If you're scared to launch that damn car, then why say you can do 0-60 in 4.6? If you're trying to keep a clutch, your 0-60 is probably a second slower than that. A FWD car reaching 60 in 5.5 seconds is a tremendous feat considering traction. However, I have seen some hilarious upsets against the AWD guys. Usually it's some little SRT-4 with like an intake and BOV that gets stomped off the start and then rapes them in the long run. You guys have nice cars, but so does everyone else willing to spend $30K on their cars. For $30K, you could get a used Z06, run 0-60 in 4.2-4.4, get 29 MPG, and beat stock STi's and EVO's all day long at the track or the dragstrip. If I had $30K, I would probably drive an STi, too. While we're all being so rude and blunt, Davis, you discuss modding your car. You put on a BOV and took it back off because you thought it was "too loud." I'd say that pretty much any big power adder is going to make it louder than the sound of a BOV every time you let off. Adam, I have so much respect for you and for your car and all the effort you have put into it. I know the potential of Turbo'd Civics, too. I have seen some funny shit happen with them (see cheezefrog's hatch videos). I never got to see the end of it, but sports car revolution had a project of making a Kia wagon beat a 911 around a track. Anything's possible. Don't let these asses get you down. After all when you look at the big picture, they're all economy cars just like your's. They just got a few extra factory options lol. When you think that "It's just a civic," always remember "It's just an Impreza (or Lancer)."

[Davis Silver Sti]

I have no idea how I missed this topic until now...
Adam, I would love to see this race. I'll show up with "I Love You Adam" signs. I'll have my fiancee flash you some boobs lol. We live with my PARENTS, so I feel for you. I can't afford an EVO or an STi. Evo's have beaten the STi in EVERY test that I have ever read, but I'd probably rather have the STi. The STi has low-end torque, and I think that's important, although it's because it stabbed its heritage in the back and added a half a liter of displacement. Also, boxer engines sound great. But, everyone knows that they're both fast cars, so no one is surprised. They have 10 foot wings and crazy body kits, HID's, hood scoops, and big wheels. Adam's car is a stock looking civic with some wheels on it. I would race Adam in a heartbeat, but would be much more impressed when he beat me than if some lucky bastard in a $30K AWD was to beat me. If you're scared to launch that damn car, then why say you can do 0-60 in 4.6? If you're trying to keep a clutch, your 0-60 is probably a second slower than that. A FWD car reaching 60 in 5.5 seconds is a tremendous feat considering traction. However, I have seen some hilarious upsets against the AWD guys. Usually it's some little SRT-4 with like an intake and BOV that gets stomped off the start and then rapes them in the long run. You guys have nice cars, but so does everyone else willing to spend $30K on their cars. For $30K, you could get a used Z06, run 0-60 in 4.2-4.4, get 29 MPG, and beat stock STi's and EVO's all day long at the track or the dragstrip. If I had $30K, I would probably drive an STi, too. While we're all being so rude and blunt, Davis, you discuss modding your car. You put on a BOV and took it back off because you thought it was "too loud." I'd say that pretty much any big power adder is going to make it louder than the sound of a BOV every time you let off. Adam, I have so much respect for you and for your car and all the effort you have put into it. I know the potential of Turbo'd Civics, too. I have seen some funny shit happen with them (see cheezefrog's hatch videos). I never got to see the end of it, but sports car revolution had a project of making a Kia wagon beat a 911 around a track. Anything's possible. Don't let these asses get you down. After all when you look at the big picture, they're all economy cars just like your's. They just got a few extra factory options lol. When you think that "It's just a civic," always remember "It's just an Impreza (or Lancer)."

For the record, I'm not adding any more of this my car is this or that. Those kind of arguments are made for forums that are much less mature than the professional forum Robbie has created here on movFast.com.

Adam, as a moderator, you should do your best to set the example on this forum. While my very little comment on "you shoulda' just bought a turbo car to begin with" was merely humorous, it somehow got ugly. I apologize if it went too far but it wasn't just me in the game either.

It is interesting to see those that did jump on the "my car vs. my car" game, as some didn't seem to think Adam and I were just having fun.

While it didn't seem like there were any direct personal attacks, you can assume it was going to happen soon by someone. TRM's comment on calling "lucky bastard in a $30K AWD " is not the kind of comment I think is beneficial to movFast. (BTW I don't care if you like STi's more, or Honda's, or EVO's, or even Yugo's)

Comeon guys (myself included), let's put some class back into movFast. I'm done on this subject and hope we do not need to get into this again.

[Feedman]

To me it was all fun and games. I feel absolutly no different about any of you guys. I still like ya all. If anyone took anything I said to heart I apologize, I was trying to get a stir out of you guys, sometimes I like to cause trouble...I can't be perfect all the time. :twisted:

I still think this is a well maintained and organized site. 99% of what goes on here is serious, I see no reason to have a little fun once and a while...if I noticed its starting to get a little boring, I try to throw in a funny link or start a good group discussion....


The END.... 8)

[RobbieNelson]

The END.... 8)

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[Feedman]

The END.... 8)

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Excuse me, I forgot to put Locked, The End.....lol.... 8)