Mustang enthusiasts....

[andy5.0]

I think I am the only mustang owner as of now on this forum...I know there are about 2 million mustangs in this area, so if there are any other stang guys out there reading this I encourage you to become members of this site so that we can get some good Ford topics goin. 8)

[Feedman]

I think I am the only mustang owner as of now on this forum...I know there are about 2 million mustangs in this area, so if there are any other stang guys out there reading this I encourage you to become members of this site so that we can get some good Ford topics goin. 8)

Andy, we will leave it up to you to spread the word.....Besides I need some new Mustangs to beat on....lol... :twisted:

[andy5.0]

will do....hows that new turbo workin for ya??

[Feedman]

will do....hows that new turbo workin for ya??


oh seems ok...alot of clutch slippage...so Clutchmaster Stage 3 here I come.... 8)

[daveb91]

I think I am the only mustang owner as of now on this forum...I know there are about 2 million mustangs in this area, so if there are any other stang guys out there reading this I encourage you to become members of this site so that we can get some good Ford topics goin. 8) All mustang owners are suckers because for the same money they could have gotten a better GM product. :)

[RobbieNelson]

I think I am the only mustang owner as of now on this forum...I know there are about 2 million mustangs in this area, so if there are any other stang guys out there reading this I encourage you to become members of this site so that we can get some good Ford topics goin. 8) All mustang owners are suckers because for the same money they could have gotten a better GM product. :)

WHAT? They KILLED the f-body.

[jamesN272]

All mustang owners are suckers because for the same money they could have gotten a better GM product. :)

heh

until 03 :x

[narfdanarf]

I disagree completely, mustangs can be had for a lot less than a fbody of the same year. I can't think of any other GM product that I would buy. From past experience most are pieces of shit to work on.

[narfdanarf]

no offense to anyone who owns a gm :P

[ben2000formula]

no offense to anyone who owns a gm

None taken! :D

[Feedman]

no offense to anyone who owns a gm :P

Since you like quotes sooo much.... 8)

[daveb91]

I disagree completely, mustangs can be had for a lot less than a fbody of the same year. I can't think of any other GM product that I would buy. From past experience most are pieces of shit to work on.

I hate to disagree but I do you could buy the bottom of the line V8 option camero or firebird and it still would beat a top of the line Mustang. Oh and now there is the GTO.

[andy5.0]

I like the GM cars...im not hating on them. In stock trim they have more c.i.'s than my little 5.0 and can generally whip up on the Fords...BUT...the mustangs look way better (in my opinion, sorry ben) than the Camaros and Firebirds. Besides looks, the mustangs (even the modulars) can be tuned to give the GM boys a run for their money, and the parts are not that expensive for them either. Another plus for the Ford camp are all of the specialty 'stangs that are available now...Mach 1, Bullitt, SVT Cobras etc...Even the most die hard GM guys have to give credit to the 03-04 cobras ...they are hard to beat. Ok I'm done ranting. :D

[Feedman]

True...Ford actually did it right with the new Cobras. We will have to see if they withstand time....thats the true test.... 8)

[RallyEX]

True...Ford actually did it right with the new Cobras. We will have to see if they withstand time....thats the true test.... 8)

That's the problem with cobras.... they are going to last no matter what (for the most part) because they become garage queens for the most part. People only drive them occasionally, keep them spotless and flawlessly maintained... With cars like that it is very hard to say.

It's like finding a Ferrari with 100k and seeing if it is still a reliable driver. You'd have to find one with that many miles first... good luck.

[Feedman]

You make a very good point. 8)

[InterceptorXR7]

Ryan, double posting is bad, lol. And yes, his mustang has bite :twisted:

[Feedman]

Ryan, double posting is bad, lol. And yes, his mustang has bite :twisted:

Whos mustang has bite....? 8)

[jamesN272]

I'm prob. blowing this way out of the water :shock:

1st off, I -LOVE- mustangs...I do. Love the way some look, love the way some sound. Considered buying one. I like all you stang guys and I don't want to offend any of you. I know you all like your cars, but before you start 'not hating' on us GM guys, take some time to look up past C&D, R&T, Motortrend, and numerous other articles reviewing the two cars. Lately (last decade) it's only been the SVT model to come close to the 5.7L F-body. For what they are, muscle cars, the LS1/LT1 did it better in most categories - for all the same money.

But we can't race a 05 stang and an 05 Camaro can we ;)

Yeah, the mustang survived the Camaro...but you honestly think that was because the stang was better?

There were several reasons due to the end of the F-body. The F-body was never really marketed, but did have ZERO problems selling 200k units per year. Blame it on SUV's, or insurance (mindless teenages crashing a car that was more than they could handle), GM politics, or crash standards...there are a crap load of reasons why.

I'll try to just stick with 99+ GTs and 98+ F-bodies

The obvious: 60-80 more horsepower stock. 6 speed tranny. more options. Mid-low 13s to mid-low 14s

Besides looks, the mustangs (even the modulars) can be tuned to give the GM boys a run for their money, and the parts are not that expensive for them either.

I can 'tune' a KIA to give them GM boys a run for their money ;)

As for cost of parts, too many variables. A lot is the same, a lot is different.

I can buy a $400 intake or a $60 one off of ebay. Same 5rwhp...

I can make a DSM faster for cheaper. You know why? The car was cheaper to begin with...the same exact parts for a C5 would cost hundreds, thousands more than it would for my Z28. Price is subjective to each aftermarket manufacturer (they-charge-that-much-cause-they-can sort of thing)...i'm aware that most FI systems for the LS1 are slightly more expensive, but then again - compare the results.

Both cars respond very well to bolt ons. But due to the simple fact, more displacement, the LS1 will throw around a lot more power mod for mod.

Give me a stock LS1 and 5 grand, I can turn it into a LOW 11 daily driven RWD monster (if the rear end holds ;) ) These engines are making CRAZY numbers with better flowing heads and a more aggressive camshaft. Can your say that much about the GTs?

The DOHC and 99+ 4.6s love blowers. That's some good power for the money. Pre 99 w/o built up internals would be putting down the same numbers as a stock LS1. Sad but true.

Just depends on the applications, but I don't see a mustang beating an LS1 with both cars equipped with the same type of mods. Would a bolt on Z06 out perform a bolt on SRT-10?

I know there are about 2 million mustangs in this area

Your words not mine :mrgreen:

Everyone and their mother has a mustang...i've seen less than 10 LS1's around. I see 5+ mustangs on the way to wal mart.

the mustangs look way better (in my opinion, sorry ben) than the Camaros and Firebirds.

http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif

Now we won't talk about the 03 Cobra...it's a different car. Of course a factory FI car is going to make good power. Make no mistake, Ford DID do right with that one. Looks 98679867 times better than any other mustang.

Let's wait for the LS2 (6.0 400HP NA) to come out and see where it stands with the next gen mustang GT (that STILL doesn't make 300HP :shock: ). It's going in SEVERAL different cars. (GTO, SSR, C6) No doubt in my mind a 'new' Camaro/Trans am will come out and be just as competative as the last one. It may be packing some serious heat in the form of a C6-Z06 engine (500HP+?) to one up Ford's new Cobra.

Like i said...there's some sweet ass mustangs around. But I was in a situation where I had to decide which car was better for my money. I feel like I chose the right one...

And now, the underlining fact that makes my car better:

http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/touchedls1jhn272.JPG

:mrgreen:

[Feedman]

Well said. There is nothing wrong with stirring up a little bit of discussion, that is what the board was created for.....

Keep up the good work.... 8)

[daveb91]

I agree with evrything James said exept loving rustangs! The only reason the Mustang outlived the F-body is it was marketed to women, they marketed it and sold most of them to women and most of them sold were crappy automatic v6 models which by the way even the F-bodies had better v6's (3.8). :D

[RobbieNelson]

...sold most of them to women and most of them sold were crappy automatic v6 models...

My wife bought one of those. I lothed the thing. I like her mini-van much better. lol

[jamesN272]

I agree with evrything James said exept loving rustangs! The only reason the Mustang outlived the F-body is it was marketed to women, they marketed it and sold most of them to women and most of them sold were crappy automatic v6 models which by the way even the F-bodies had better v6's (3.8). :D

werd

not that there's anything wrong with that

[jchouse]

The whole mustang vs. f-body thing is a complete joke. Everytime you see the mustang vs. f-body in a motor trend or something of that nature it is a cobra vs. a camaro ss. Why do they do that? so they can get the cars to be in the same price range. But it is not a fair match at all, becuase the camaro ss is(was) around 30K just like the cobra, but all the ss was a styling package( for the most part, like 15 hp ).When you could have got a non t-top, 6 speed ls1 camaro with no options for around 22K ( talking about srt-4's being bang for the buck) and still have 9K or so to dump into you car so that you could smoke cobra's all day.

Cliff Notes: F-Bodys are better

[Feedman]

The whole mustang vs. f-body thing is a complete joke. Everytime you see the mustang vs. f-body in a motor trend or something of that nature it is a cobra vs. a camaro ss. Why do they do that? so they can get the cars to be in the same price range. But it is not a fair match at all, becuase the camaro ss is(was) around 30K just like the cobra, but all the ss was a styling package( for the most part, like 15 hp ).When you could have got a non t-top, 6 speed ls1 camaro with no options for around 22K ( talking about srt-4's being bang for the buck) and still have 9K or so to dump into you car so that you could smoke cobra's all day.

Cliff Notes: F-Bodys are better

Jeremy, very good point.... 8)

[jamesN272]

The whole mustang vs. f-body thing is a complete joke. Everytime you see the mustang vs. f-body in a motor trend or something of that nature it is a cobra vs. a camaro ss. Why do they do that? so they can get the cars to be in the same price range. But it is not a fair match at all, becuase the camaro ss is(was) around 30K just like the cobra, but all the ss was a styling package( for the most part, like 15 hp ).When you could have got a non t-top, 6 speed ls1 camaro with no options for around 22K ( talking about srt-4's being bang for the buck) and still have 9K or so to dump into you car so that you could smoke cobra's all day.

Cliff Notes: F-Bodys are better

You know it...

I have a C&D laying around with an 03 auto GT being compared with a Monte Carlo and a Stratus.

The GT came in 2nd http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/yup.gif http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif

They're decent cars...I will stop beating on them. Like I said I like the look/sound of a lot of them (esp. teh 03's (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6236&item=2481982292&rd=1) http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/drool.gif )

But I still give Ford credit for selling so many of them. It's beyond me HOW they do it, but i'm thinking it's just the right mesh. Not enough power=safer, slower, but still sporty transportation. The sleek brake ducts and hood scoops make any red blooded 15 year old drool.

And by the way the average new GT with normal options comes in at a whopping 25 grand, 22 at the VERY least

I see 04 Cobra's priced at/near 45 grand. With GM incentives, that's Z06-land.

And that Saleen, the speedster (SC'd vert.)=65 grand despite being a SOHC

Holy overpriced mustang batman :shock:

[daveb91]

You know it...

I have a C&D laying around with an 03 auto GT being compared with a Monte Carlo and a Stratus.

The GT came in 2nd

I have the same one and for something I hate to do I will defend the Rustang :oops: it was an overall test the Mustang still beat them performance wise.

[jchouse]

I see 04 Cobra's priced at/near 45 grand. With GM incentives, that's Z06-land.

And that Saleen, the speedster (SC'd vert.)=65 grand despite being a SOHC

Holy overpriced mustang batman :shock:

I hope to god that you are talking about the mystic cobra being 45 and thats it, becuase there is no way in the hell anybody is going to spend 45K on a cobra. I know there is a markup but the most I have ever seen anyone pay is like 38-39 and that was when they first came out in late 2002

[ben2000formula]

Mustangs are nice cars, but since the introduction of the lt1 they have never been able to keep up with gm, now if i had the choice between a fox-body and a tpi i would take the fox body.

The reason why the new gt has 260 hp now versus the old rating at 225 is because for one build year you actually had the new ls1 motor up against fords old single overhead cam. they had to give it more power.

But the GT platform is a plenty capable platform to build a street machine. bigger rear end from the factory, true dual exhaust, and not a bad curb weight for a coupe. with the right set of gears and sticky tires a mustang GT could very easily hold off an ls1 to about 70-80 mph.

I don't slouch against mustangs unless i know they are stock. There are some very quick ones out there.

Now about the 03 cobra, i would probably trade my car for one. Just knowing from owning a turbo car that you get alot more return for the mods you put in. just knowing that i could do a pulley swap and gain 40 rwhp at least is just awesome. Not to mention that i think the 03 cobra is the best looking snake yet. But i would definitly have to put it on a diet to drop that hefty curb weight!!

[Feedman]

I dub thee the official movFast Ls1 guru.... 8)

[jamesN272]

I dub thee the official movFast Ls1 guru.... 8)

:cry:




I see 04 Cobra's priced at/near 45 grand. With GM incentives, that's Z06-land.

And that Saleen, the speedster (SC'd vert.)=65 grand despite being a SOHC

Holy overpriced mustang batman :shock:

I hope to god that you are talking about the mystic cobra being 45 and thats it, becuase there is no way in the hell anybody is going to spend 45K on a cobra. I know there is a markup but the most I have ever seen anyone pay is like 38-39 and that was when they first came out in late 2002

Saw 2-3 on autotrader (i'd assume fully loaded) verts for $44,5XX, none of which were mystic. Check out Richart''s prices (HUGE ford dealer near Columbus) Most 04 verts are right around 40 grand, coupes 35-38 (Which is right on with most dealserships). I browsed some ebay prices where I would expect some more reasonable prices w/o huge mark ups. Highest I could find was this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6236&item=2482304896&rd=1) for 39 grand. + taxes/fees...a lot of money.

And yes i'm POSITIVE some shmo goes down to his local dealer and pays 10 grand mark up while other 'used' Cobras with less than 5kmi. go for 25 grand. Fact of life. :?

[andy5.0]

ok, so liking mustangs is just a preference thing. People can argue all day....blah...blah..my (insert GM car here) is faster than a mustang because of ....blah...blah.... All of this boils down to 1 thing, I have driven several of my buddies f-bodies and several mustangs and TO ME the mustang just seems like the car that most suits my idea of what a performance car should be. nuff said. 8)

[RobbieNelson]

ok, so liking mustangs is just a preference thing. People can argue all day....blah...blah..my (insert GM car here) is faster than a mustang because of ....blah...blah.... All of this boils down to 1 thing, I have driven several of my buddies f-bodies and several mustangs and TO ME the mustang just seems like the car that most suits my idea of what a performance car should be. nuff said. 8)

Can we insert a Japanese car??? :P I need to take you for a ride in my lil pocket rocket. 8) I think you'd be pleasently surprised.

Screw DETROIT! :lol:

[andy5.0]

i like Evo's......alot... :D

[Feedman]

I don't know, when I tink of american muscle I still think of a mustang, it just has a strong american heritage....just sticks out in my mind...along with vettes of course... 8)

[ben2000formula]

Oh course most people think of the stang first, it was the first. Ford set a trend when releasing the mustang they established a whole new class of pony cars. My hat is off to them, because without that release there would never have been a gm ford battle and we as enthusiasts today might not have factory horsepower wars, that we all enjoy the benefits of.

It is a great time to be an enthusiast!

[jchouse]

The reason why the new gt has 260 hp now versus the old rating at 225 is because for one build year you actually had the new ls1 motor up against fords old single overhead cam. they had to give it more power.



So the reason the new gt's have 260 is becuase one year ( 98 ) the 225hp stang was against the ls1? More like there change the heads on the 99 model and up.

[jamesN272]

The reason why the new gt has 260 hp now versus the old rating at 225 is because for one build year you actually had the new ls1 motor up against fords old single overhead cam. they had to give it more power.



So the reason the new gt's have 260 is becuase one year ( 98 ) the 225hp stang was against the ls1? More like there change the heads on the 99 model and up.

werd, pre 99 heads flow like ASS

I was afraid to chime in...think i've helped this thread enough already

[ben2000formula]

They had to give it more power. Think about for around 25,000 you could get a 225 hp mustang that ran high 14's to low 15's, or for the same price you could get a 305 hp z28, trans am, formula, that could run mid to low 13's.

[Feedman]

They had to give it more power. Think about for around 25,000 you could get a 225 hp mustang that ran high 14's to low 15's, or for the same price you could get a 305 hp z28, trans am, formula, that could run mid to low 13's.

Thats sort of similar between the Ls1 and Lt1 fight...lol 8)

[xjoewhitex]

Oh course most people think of the stang first, it was the first. Ford set a trend when releasing the mustang they established a whole new class of pony cars. My hat is off to them, because without that release there would never have been a gm ford battle and we as enthusiasts today might not have factory horsepower wars, that we all enjoy the benefits of.

It is a great time to be an enthusiast!

I never do.. Ive never been into mustangs at all because how many people buy them and make them look stupid(but thats sometihng else). I usaly think of when im thinking of muscle is Camaros,corvettes,gto, Charger things like that.. a mustang just doesnt look muscle.. I tihnk the new Cobra's look sweet.. and also i Rode in one :D .So that kinda helps..
No offence to the mustang boys...just how i feel on those cars..

[jchouse]

They had to give it more power. Think about for around 25,000 you could get a 225 hp mustang that ran high 14's to low 15's, or for the same price you could get a 305 hp z28, trans am, formula, that could run mid to low 13's.

98 wasn't the reason they did they, its not like that was the first year they got there ass's kick, the lt1(280) which only has 25-30 less horsepower than the ls1 had been out since 93( in f-bodys anyway) so ethier way it was still 225 vs. 280, do the math

[A_red_car88]

Alright, Andy 5.0.. Is your 5.0 black old body style? If so I am the kid with the red 88 trans am.. Remember you yelled at the kid with an eclipse for leaning on your car.. haha :wink: I dont blame ya that car is CLEAN..

[Feedman]

Alright, Andy 5.0.. Is your 5.0 black old body style? If so I am the kid with the red 88 trans am.. Remember you yelled at the kid with an eclipse for leaning on your car.. haha :wink: I dont blame ya that car is CLEAN..

Nope Red/maroon. I believe its a 95, with Cobra R's... 8)

[jchouse]

Alright, Andy 5.0.. Is your 5.0 black old body style? If so I am the kid with the red 88 trans am.. Remember you yelled at the kid with an eclipse for leaning on your car.. haha :wink: I dont blame ya that car is CLEAN..

He was there, he was the other mustang that was beside the black fox body

[andy5.0]

yeah, i was there too, driving the laser red 95 GT. The guy that yelled at your buddy was my friend joe, he got a little pissed when that dude was leaning on his car with his hands on the paint. Most people that build nice cars dont like it when some stanger comes up and starts manhandling the car they spent all day waxing, i would have done the same thing too :shock:

[jamesN272]

yeah, i was there too, driving the laser red 95 GT. The guy that yelled at your buddy was my friend joe, he got a little pissed when that dude was leaning on his car with his hands on the paint. Most people that build nice cars dont like it when some stanger comes up and starts manhandling the car they spent all day waxing, i would have done the same thing too :shock:

that's not cool... :shock:

[Feedman]

I don't know what to say. I am the kinda person, that just wouldn't walk up and touch or definatly lean on someone elses car that I didn't know. Just out of respect to someone elses property..... 8)

[xjoewhitex]

Yea I think that was my friend that leaned on his car, but he just wasnt thinking about it. Oh well :?

[ben2000formula]

I don't know what to say. I am the kinda person, that just wouldn't walk up and touch or definatly lean on someone elses car that I didn't know. Just out of respect to someone elses property.....

Unless is just Tim's Civic Right? lol

[Feedman]

Tim, Jeremy, Justin.....lol.... 8)

[jchouse]

what?

[Feedman]

what? 8)

[andy5.0]

i have to keep the mustang post goin...no one on this thread for a long time...anyone out there know where a good place to go to find a replacement taillight for my stang(94 or 95 will work)? Preferably one that i could get already painted to match my car. The dealership wants 300+ dollars for a new tail light assembly...that sucks. OR does anybody know a good place to get my original taillight repainted( have serious paint fade on the drivers one...)Thanks in advance....
~Andy

[daveb91]

Crash Auto parts on 7th street parkersburg.

[Jay]

i have to keep the mustang post goin...no one on this thread for a long time...anyone out there know where a good place to go to find a replacement taillight for my stang(94 or 95 will work)? Preferably one that i could get already painted to match my car. The dealership wants 300+ dollars for a new tail light assembly...that sucks. OR does anybody know a good place to get my original taillight repainted( have serious paint fade on the drivers one...)Thanks in advance....
~Andy

If you like Altezza's (which i dont but still..) I know
where theres a set for the 40+ bodystyle. A buddy of mine
wrecked his a week or so ago. If all you wana do is paint
your factory ones, I suggest going to Osterle Paint
on southside. You can have your factory color put
into an aerosol spraycan to paint it with.

And btw
Andy, youre not the only mustang owner on here now..
I have 3 fox body's sittin outside - im sure you have seen me in town

[andy5.0]

cool....glad to have more blue oval guys on here!!!

[Feedman]

cool....glad to have more blue oval guys on here!!!

Were have you been hiding Andy....haven't seen ya in a while...? 8)

[andy5.0]

Im still alive...Im gonna make it out this week sometime...hopefully. Looks like the 95 stang may be going bye bye due to the fact that I may have a project soon....(another mustang)...should be ready by next spring GOD WILLING..lol Oh yeah I wanted to say whats up to Jay as well...saw you the other day in traffic (you were in a red GT hatch)i believe...L8R :twisted:

[narfdanarf]

I'm so sure you can't give us some info on your new project. :evil:

[andy5.0]

i will know more by Friday...when I know for sure then i will post it..

[Feedman]

i will know more by Friday...when I know for sure then i will post it..

We are gonna hold you to that!!!! 8)

[andy5.0]

ok it is here.....i will drive it to the meet tomorrow... :twisted:

[Feedman]

ok it is here.....i will drive it to the meet tomorrow... :twisted:

yOu sUck 8)

[xjoewhitex]

ok it is here.....i will drive it to the meet tomorrow... :twisted: you better, havent seen you in a while 8)