Si - Update 11.2.04-head off-w/pics....pistons out-w/pics...

[Feedman]

Well I finally got the garage cleaned out and pulled err pushed the car in.

I started removing the front bumper first....so I could get to the i/c piping and look inside it. Once the bumper was off, I started to remove the first i/c pipe and oil literally poured out. Hmm...so I went ahead and removed teh rest of the i/c pipes and pulled off the i/c itself. I set it in a quart jar to let it drain...completly full of oil. I then proceeded to pull the turbo and manifold. While I was working on that I drained the radiator to get it out of the way...Not sure yet, but it looks like some of the overflow was a little greyish....lol headgasket....that would be the easiest fix, but I am still gonna build it....regardless....Will keep updated...I am gonna try to get the head off in the next few days for a more in depth look....

Wish me luck....I will take some pics.....as I tear it up.... 8)

[xjoewhitex]

well if you need any help.. jus gime a call, or somethin... Ive done jobs like these before 8)

[narfdanarf]

well if you need any help.. jus gime a call, or somethin... Ive done jobs like these before 8)

you have?

[xjoewhitex]

well if you need any help.. jus gime a call, or somethin... Ive done jobs like these before 8)

you have? yea me and one of my friends tore down a eclipse he had, and then droped a different motor in it...with some of the other parts 8)

[Feedman]

I'm doin good so far. Tonight I am working on the intake manifold and timing belt so I can get the head off free and clear... 8)

[narfdanarf]

did you get the turbo and exhaust manifold off already?

[Feedman]

did you get the turbo and exhaust manifold off already?


Yep, that was off last night. I have 3 bolts left on the intake manifold and am currently working on getting the crank off. Sorta tough, b/c when I turn it, it turns too...hmmm.....

Working on figuring that out...hopefully I should have it off tonight...I think Jordan and Cam are gonna stop by to see the mess I am making..... 8)

[Don juan futon]

Hey, I'm in town, lemme know if you need help!

[Feedman]

Hey, I'm in town, lemme know if you need help!

Thanks buddy....

I was workin....got the timing belt off and everything. I am sorta stuck on the few bolts on the back side of the intake manifold...can't seem to reach them to get that off. :x :x

Other than that I am ready to pull the head and see whats up.... 8)

[Don juan futon]

Ha ha ha. that seems to be a problem with most hondas and it drives me NUTS! I'm workin on porting and polishing a prelude head and getting it off is more of a challenge than expected! Ha ha. But if you need any specialty tools or help, like I said, I'm in town.

[Feedman]

Ha ha ha. that seems to be a problem with most hondas and it drives me NUTS! I'm workin on porting and polishing a prelude head and getting it off is more of a challenge than expected! Ha ha. But if you need any specialty tools or help, like I said, I'm in town.

Yea, once I get the head off...maybe we could talk and I could have you work your magic....port and polish...hows that sound? 8)

[Don juan futon]

Hmmmm....Well, you see this prelude head is in the class I'm in right now which is almost over and we also have to use engine dyno's in this class. And we're hooking up small block chevy's with twin turbo's on it. I'm sorry but I hace to get in on that. BUT, not to worry, I'm workin on my own flowbench here so when I get back here I can start doin some headwork and flowing. THEN I can actually show you some gains as well. SO, if you are in no hurry, no problem, if you are, then I still MIGHT be able to get it in, just won't have time to flow it.

[Feedman]

Hmmmm....Well, you see this prelude head is in the class I'm in right now which is almost over and we also have to use engine dyno's in this class. And we're hooking up small block chevy's with twin turbo's on it. I'm sorry but I hace to get in on that. BUT, not to worry, I'm workin on my own flowbench here so when I get back here I can start doin some headwork and flowing. THEN I can actually show you some gains as well. SO, if you are in no hurry, no problem, if you are, then I still MIGHT be able to get it in, just won't have time to flow it.

Well a hurry I am not. It won't be until Spring time or so before the car is back on the road...so if you can squeeze it in before that....

If not no big deal..its not something I planned on...but if the situation arises....would be a good learning lesson for both of us.... 8)

[Don juan futon]

I can do it for you. Ha ha. I do have my secrets though. If I didn't I wouldn't be keepin a steady income. But yeah, I'll be back here just before christmas and should have my flowbench done by then

[Feedman]

I can do it for you. Ha ha. I do have my secrets though. If I didn't I wouldn't be keepin a steady income. But yeah, I'll be back here just before christmas and should have my flowbench done by then

Sounds good....I will try and hit you up around January.... 8)

[narfdanarf]

did you get your head off yet or what?!?!?!!!11?!!

[Feedman]

did you get your head off yet or what?!?!?!!!11?!!

Not yet...there are 5 intake manifold bolts that are being a huge pain....I have been and intend to take my good old time. This is a good learning experience. Like I said, it will be in Spring before this car sees pavement again...

Once I get those...the head will be off and then I can see whats up with the pistons, h/g and cylinders....

Overall it hasn't been to bad.....I am going to try and clean up my turbo and manifold tonight...maybe that will get me in the mood to get workin on the car again...I will keep posted.... 8)

[Don juan futon]

So what was the problem in the first place man?

[Feedman]

So what was the problem in the first place man?

http://www.movfast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=683


8)

[crxhybrid88]

he if you ned a little help you have my number just call and if you dont just call tim he has it . rick

[Feedman]

he if you ned a little help you have my number just call and if you dont just call tim he has it . rick

I might do that this weekend...see what you think...

Thanks alot buddy.... 8)

[Feedman]

did you get your head off yet or what?!?!?!!!11?!!

Ding ding ding....the head is now off. First thing I noticed was that cylinder 4, 3 were covered in coolant. Not complety sure if it leaked in there during the head removal, but it was in there none the less. From a visual inspection everything looked fine, including the pistons and head. I looked the h/g over and didn't see any signs off a leak...??

In the next few days, I will pull the oil pan and go @ removing the pistons...I snapped some pics and will post them soon.

Stay tuned.... 8)

[xjoewhitex]

hey adam, I hope you don't mind but i would love to stop by and help and maybe learn a few things about all of this.. So i can know more about motor internals 8)

[Feedman]

hey adam, I hope you don't mind but i would love to stop by and help and maybe learn a few things about all of this.. So i can know more about motor internals 8)

Sure....just give me a ring...I might be out tomorrow night...and gone Tuesday...but any evening after that call me and make sure I am there and you are more than welcome to stop by.... 8)

[daveb91]

You probably got the coolant in the cylinders while taking the head off mine had some in them not a whole lot though just very little since I drained the engine before I did the tear down, not even enough to cover the pistons. If the HG is good I would also check the block and head at a machine shop because most of the time it can leak and you wont visualy see the cracks. Also it would be wise to check the deck and head with a machined flatedge.

[narfdanarf]

which cylinder did you say was the one with hardly no compression?

[Feedman]

which cylinder did you say was the one with hardly no compression?

It goes left to right

4.3.2.1

#3. 8)

[Feedman]

Here are the pics....

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/closercarpic.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/block.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/block1.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/upcloseblock.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/tophead.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/bottomhead.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/intakehead.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/exhuasthead.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/intakemanifold.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/throttlebody.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/partsonworkbench.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/partsworkbench.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movengine/carpic.jpg

There will be more to come of the insides of the cylinders and the indivual pistons. 8)

[Feedman]

Well...I just got done pulling the oil pan, pickup and windage tray. Ganked the pistons. They are definatly not reuseable.....

#4 being the worst, but each ringland is cracked. Some more than others. #3, #4 are pretty bad off. #2, #1 have one small crack a piece. The cylinders look fine...no scoring that I can see.....also looks like it still has a good bit of the original cross hatching...

Took pics..will try to get them up soon....

On to forged internals.... 8)

[narfdanarf]

I'm happy for ya 8)

[xjoewhitex]

I'm happy for ya 8) lol.. why :?

[Don juan futon]

Got a couple of hot spots on your pistons...Nothing too serious. Ever have any detonation problems or anything? Also, make sure you clean out that throttle body where the blade is closed. That carbon can keep it from closing to it's point of rest.

[Don juan futon]

That's the only shitty thing about import heads...There's not really too much room for improvement on air flow in your heads. PM me and I'll tell you a few secrets or else you can just wait and have me do it! :D

[Feedman]

Got a couple of hot spots on your pistons...Nothing too serious. Ever have any detonation problems or anything? Also, make sure you clean out that throttle body where the blade is closed. That carbon can keep it from closing to it's point of rest.

I will be cleaning everything off, as good as possible...I did notice the spots on my pistons...I don't know how..I was running overly rich the entire time....?? Hmm...I think I am gonna send my injectors off to be tested and balanced...almost like a few of them weren't functioning properly.... 8)

[narfdanarf]

If you are going with a larger setup...you are going to need new injectors/bigger

[Feedman]

If you are going with a larger setup...you are going to need new injectors/bigger

They will be the last thing I buy....once I have the turbo in hand and know what it is capable of, that will determine the injector I'll need.... 8)

[narfdanarf]

well then why send off the other injectors?

[Feedman]

well then why send off the other injectors?

Just somthing that crossed my mind....mostly $$....I don't have to upgrade injectors unless I up the boost...I could be anywhere below 300 and keep them..

They are prolly gone...just saying.....if I did keep them....all options are open....I am trying to cover all my bases...so once its built..it will be tuned before it gets 1 mile on it. Assuming thats the case...it will be ready and thats it....Well see I guess... 8)

[narfdanarf]

for 300 hp you need 550's assuming you run them at 85% duty cycle, which is a high average that RC engineering recommends for their injectors.

for your possible 350 hp mark you would need 650's at the 85% duty cycle. If you want the formula I used to come up with this...let me know.

mind you this is flywheel hp...not at the wheels.

[Feedman]

for 300 hp you need 550's assuming you run them at 85% duty cycle, which is a high average that RC engineering recommends for their injectors.

for your possible 350 hp mark you would need 650's at the 85% duty cycle. If you want the formula I used to come up with this...let me know.

mind you this is flywheel hp...not at the wheels.


Yea..I would be interested in how you figure that. I bookmarked there site....so I can go back later when I figure out what I am doin. Right now concentrating on the engine buildup...then all the turbo stuff.... 8)

[crxhybrid88]

hey adam I would like to see if you have the v-tech controller wiring diagram??? and if you are planning on running 550 or bigger injectors you should probably get a stand alone unit those are pretty healthy injectors.

[Feedman]

hey adam I would like to see if you have the v-tech controller wiring diagram??? and if you are planning on running 550 or bigger injectors you should probably get a stand alone unit those are pretty healthy injectors.

You know better...V-Tech...>?>?>?



I do...you can also get it @ Apexi's webisite.

If not, let me know and I will shoot a copy of it for ya.... 8)

[crxhybrid88]

how about the copy can you email it to me

[Feedman]

how about the copy can you email it to me


I'll see.....I will try and round it up, I have a copy machine....if you don't get it by tonight...that means I couldn't find it.... 8)

[crxhybrid88]

do you have my #

[Feedman]

Here are the pics of the pistons....



http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/outsidecar.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/anotherengine.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/cylinder.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/cylinder1.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/cylinder2.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/pistons.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/worstpiston.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/piston4.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/piston3.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/piston2.jpg

http://www.zzzip.net/aclegg/Movfast/pics/movenginepiston/piston1.jpg

There ya go...enjoy..... 8)

[Feedman]

do you have my #


No..... 8)

[Feedman]

how about the copy can you email it to me


pm sent 8)

[xjoewhitex]

i don't know if you really need this but thought it would help..it's a injector chart that i found... 8)

310cc 200~220whp
370cc 220~280whp
440cc 280~330whp
550cc 330whp~380whp
660cc 380whp~425whp
720cc 425whp~475whp
880cc 475whp~525whp
980cc 525whp~600whp

[Feedman]

i don't know if you really need this but thought it would help..it's a injector chart that i found... 8)

310cc 200~220whp
370cc 220~280whp
440cc 280~330whp
550cc 330whp~380whp
660cc 380whp~425whp
720cc 425whp~475whp
880cc 475whp~525whp
980cc 525whp~600whp

My new goal....if the turbo allows me to make that much power.... 8)

[narfdanarf]

got traction?

[Feedman]

got traction?

Slicks..... 8)

[ben2000formula]

you will never hit 380 with that turbo

[narfdanarf]

I don't think he intends to :wink:

[xjoewhitex]

i was just wondering after reading that boost page, what you did about the vtec Valve overlap problem? or did you even mess with it :?

[Feedman]

i was just wondering after reading that boost page, what you did about the vtec Valve overlap problem? or did you even mess with it :?

On b16 cams its not such a huge deal. Once its tuned right...some of that may be dialed out....have to wait and see.... 8)

[someone]

man i just wanna say i know exactly what you are going through and it can be fun at times, and also not fun.

I did a tear down of my old b18b and i learned alot from it although it was a beech too.

If i could be, id be right here helpin' you but i live around 500 mi away.'

Good luck man! later

on my way workin on my teg' clutch install