670 HP Twin Turbo V8 E30 M3

[Feedman]

Normal Race Conditions Power Output @ 8 PSI

548 bhp
580 lb/ft @ 6200rpm

Qualifying Power Output @ 23 PSI

670 bhp
700 lb/ft @ 7200rpm


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Enjoy.... 8)

[Don juan futon]

Here is your perfect example of a foreign v8 vs. a domestic v8. I was playing on the engine dynos the other day and ran 2 -t28's on a 355 and it was sitting at 20 psi and at 5 grand the head gasket BLEW out of the side and all 4 pistons were cracked on that bank. Ha ha ha. The turbos were GLOWING red. Me like though!

[ShortysTRM]

I would say that your example has absolutely nothing to with "average" situations. Lingenfelter TT C5's have warranties, as far as I can remember. That BMW cost more, has less power, and is race-only, meaning it probably can't idle worth shit and wouldn't last 1,000 miles without a full rebuild. I'd say that there needs to be a fair, unbiased test before we can jump to conclusions. Something tells me there was lot more tuning, research, and money involved on that bimmer than that 355. It would impossible to try a real test without a huge budget, as you'd have to set up each engine to where they are all under equal added stress over stock form. The import vs. domestic thing is so lame, as they have absolutley nothing to do with the potential of the engine. It may hove some effect on the way they behave in stock form, but as soon as modding begins, it all changes.

[Don juan futon]

I would say that your example has absolutely nothing to with "average" situations. Lingenfelter TT C5's have warranties, as far as I can remember. That BMW cost more, has less power, and is race-only, meaning it probably can't idle worth shit and wouldn't last 1,000 miles without a full rebuild. I'd say that there needs to be a fair, unbiased test before we can jump to conclusions. Something tells me there was lot more tuning, research, and money involved on that bimmer than that 355. It would impossible to try a real test without a huge budget, as you'd have to set up each engine to where they are all under equal added stress over stock form. The import vs. domestic thing is so lame, as they have absolutley nothing to do with the potential of the engine. It may hove some effect on the way they behave in stock form, but as soon as modding begins, it all changes.

Now see, I agree with you on a few points and I also DISAGREE with you. For starters, I don't know how many times I have to say it, but just look at your castings of domestic engines vs. foreign engines. HELLO? Domestics have been and STILL build cars as cheap and easy as possible. There is barely any room for improvement of foreign heads. Look at a domestic head. You can port and port and port until you don't have any bits left. THey're ugly, they're shitty, and last time I checked cast iron was pretty cheap and a horrible material to work with. PERIOD. Now I know that there are plenty of good v8's out there that are domestics. THat's great. This is my first foreign car I have ever even owned and I'm not doggin on domestics. But when you have a foreign company that takes pride in their work and will replace engines after hundreds of thousands of miles because the problem that occured should just simply not happen and they document every single complaint, and you deal with a domestic car that if after what? 36,000 miles you're basically on your own and screwed? That just goes to show the quality that goes into their work. I'm sorry, but ford especially. They build their cars as cheap and easy as possible. Might as well go buy a mittsubishi if you're going to buy a Ford. But hey, that's just my opinion. You don't have to like it. Wasn't asking you to. But, there is a difference.

[ShortysTRM]

Like I said, though, that has nothing to do with potential. Is having the heads already tuned a good thing? I may only have 160 HP stock, but I have 180 lb. ft. of torque. My hp is as high as stock Si, but you'd have to supercharge an Si to get that much torque. And, in stock form, my engine (GM 3300 V6) has been known to go 2-300,000 miles before a rebuild, though the trannies aren't quite as reliable. I still love my car and it's a 1993 Grand Am GT...wow, huh? I have some home-grown bolt-ons and a chip and my engine feels completely different from stock. The main reason: my car was engineered to be low-tech. There is a different kind of reliability built into my car...it's simplicity. I don't have all kinds of crazy technology to worry about, and I definitely don't have a timing belt. Chains all the way. If I had my choice of a decently priced car right now, I'd either march down to South Charleston and buy that Evo MR they have right now, or, more likely, I'd march down to my local Suby dealer and get me a new STi. I'm not sure why, as I don't feel like the interior (besides the seats and gauges) is as good as it should be and I'd have no idea where to start if something went wrong with it. It's not because of the reliability or anything really, either...I'd say it's mainly because that car can fill any void I have. For example, a guy I work with just bought a black one. It has Gold pearl on top of the black...nice touch. He took me for a ride in it, and we got up to 100 in front of my dealership (you should see this road :lol: ). However, my service manager has a Cobra and he managed 130 in that same straight :shock: . Here's the catch, though...try that in the rain, snow, gravel, or dirt. A performance car is only that when it can't be used day to day in real world conditions. A rally-bred, AWD powerhouse is something special. My big thing with American companies is that they don't do anything unless they have to (ie. SRT-4, Ion Redline, Cobalt SS.). There are a few unexplainable exceptions. One automobile that is American, 15 years old, and still send chills up my spine: The GMC Syclone. That was so far ahead of it's time it's ridiculous. They should install that dinosaur powerplant into something smaller...like an Aveo lol.

[daveb91]

That is one cool BMW kind of reminds me of a miniture DTM race car.

[ShortysTRM]

yeah, back on topic, that is one sweet ass old school BMW.

[Don juan futon]

Like I said, though, that has nothing to do with potential. Is having the heads already tuned a good thing? I may only have 160 HP stock, but I have 180 lb. ft. of torque. My hp is as high as stock Si, but you'd have to supercharge an Si to get that much torque. And, in stock form, my engine (GM 3300 V6) has been known to go 2-300,000 miles before a rebuild, though the trannies aren't quite as reliable. I still love my car and it's a 1993 Grand Am GT...wow, huh? I have some home-grown bolt-ons and a chip and my engine feels completely different from stock. The main reason: my car was engineered to be low-tech. There is a different kind of reliability built into my car...it's simplicity. I don't have all kinds of crazy technology to worry about, and I definitely don't have a timing belt. Chains all the way. If I had my choice of a decently priced car right now, I'd either march down to South Charleston and buy that Evo MR they have right now, or, more likely, I'd march down to my local Suby dealer and get me a new STi. I'm not sure why, as I don't feel like the interior (besides the seats and gauges) is as good as it should be and I'd have no idea where to start if something went wrong with it. It's not because of the reliability or anything really, either...I'd say it's mainly because that car can fill any void I have. For example, a guy I work with just bought a black one. It has Gold pearl on top of the black...nice touch. He took me for a ride in it, and we got up to 100 in front of my dealership (you should see this road :lol: ). However, my service manager has a Cobra and he managed 130 in that same straight :shock: . Here's the catch, though...try that in the rain, snow, gravel, or dirt. A performance car is only that when it can't be used day to day in real world conditions. A rally-bred, AWD powerhouse is something special. My big thing with American companies is that they don't do anything unless they have to (ie. SRT-4, Ion Redline, Cobalt SS.). There are a few unexplainable exceptions. One automobile that is American, 15 years old, and still send chills up my spine: The GMC Syclone. That was so far ahead of it's time it's ridiculous. They should install that dinosaur powerplant into something smaller...like an Aveo lol.

I agree. I'm always open minded when it comes to cars. That's why I don't shun any american car. I have owned 4. Like you said, they're built for what they need to be and that's fine. I just disagree with the shortcuts taken. I think if you're going to pay that much money for something I want something that people can honestly say they put their best into it and then back it up with sincere concern. Maybe that's the business in me, but that's just how I feel. ANd might I say one thing: EVERY CAR HAS ITS PROBLEMS!

[daveb91]

GET OVER IT!! Its a cool car that what this post was about.

[ben2000formula]

:Popcornsmilie:

[narfdanarf]

I'm sorry, but ford especially. They build their cars as cheap and easy as possible. Might as well go buy a mittsubishi if you're going to buy a Ford. But hey, that's just my opinion.

The '03 Cobra has been known to handle over 800 hp on stock longblock.


btw I am going to have to say I agree with Shorty on this subject.

[RobbieNelson]

Might as well go buy a mittsubishi if you're going to buy a Ford.

:evil:

[jchouse]

Might as well go buy a mittsubishi if you're going to buy a Ford.

whats a mittsubishi :roll:




mitsubishi.......sorry just being an ass

[Don juan futon]

Might as well go buy a mittsubishi if you're going to buy a Ford.

:evil:

Ha ha ha Whoah whoah! Settle down now! I meant no harm. I was simply just saying that ford uses so many mittsubishi parts. I wasn't dogging on mittsubishi.

[daveb91]

I thought they used Mazda parts but anyways nice BMW.

[Zerocool_Designs]

Wouldn't it be kind of weird for Mitsu to make parts for ford after all their projects with Chrystler? Anyway... I'm not a big V8 fan but damn, I wouldn't mind the yellow beamer

[Don juan futon]

Wouldn't it be kind of weird for Mitsu to make parts for ford after all their projects with Chrystler? Anyway... I'm not a big V8 fan but darn, I wouldn't mind the yellow beamer

Mittsubishi made lots of parts for ford. ANd they supplied a number of engines to ford through the years.