Bottem End is assembled....

[Feedman]

Took Justin and I just over 2 hrs to clean the block, file the pistons rings, assemble the rods and pistons, install the pistons rings, slide the pistons into the cylinders and torque down the bolts.....

Everything went smoothly...

Next on my list...is

Oem H/g
Waterpump
Headstuds
Head stuff.....

Then on to the turbo.....

I will try and post some pics sometime..... 8)

[blackek]

thats awsome. we will have to cruise together when i get back. what kinda power are you going to be putting down? any roug guess's? i should be in the neighborhood of 400 to the wheels. should be fun :twisted:

[Feedman]

thats awsome. we will have to cruise together when i get back. what kinda power are you going to be putting down? any roug guess's? i should be in the neighborhood of 400 to the wheels. should be fun :twisted:

Thats what I am thinking.....or wishing for....have to see....

We didn't start working on it until after midnight....so I didn't call ya..... 8)

[m pwrd 3]

What is your time frame for having it all together?

[xjoewhitex]

glad you got that done..... 8)

[Feedman]

What is your time frame for having it all together?

Whenever I get it done.....no hurry.....trying to stay out of debt.....just build it as the $$ comes along....besides...not much you can do with a 400whp monster during winter...gives me somethnig to do in the evenings..... 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

What is your time frame for having it all together?

besides...not much you can do with a 400whp monster during winter... 8)
Wow, that would be cool! Might be a little optimistic but the dyno chart should prove to be exciting 8)

[RobbieNelson]

....besides...not much you can do with a 400whp monster during winter...gives me somethnig to do in the evenings..... 8)

You could if it was 4whp instead or frontwhp.... 8)

[ben2000formula]

no way anyone is going to hit 400 wheel hp, lucky to see 320 whp, 400 whp is alot to make out of 1.6 liters

[Feedman]

Hmm..with the turbo I am looking into....I have seen 10psi net over 300hp.....with similiar compression.....


I welcome all the doubters.....b/c it makes all this worth while when I do reach that crest.....

8)

[narfdanarf]

Hmm..with the turbo I am looking into....I have seen 10psi net over 300hp.....with similiar compression.....


I welcome all the doubters.....b/c it makes all this worth while when I do reach that crest.....

8)

I think that 400 is easily attainable with the right setup, though I am thinking Adam will be conseratively pushing at least 350+...which will still be insane.

[ben2000formula]

i am guessing 290-310

[Feedman]

i am guessing 290-310


lol.... 8)

[Feedman]

Don't forget guys.....for high hp figures......racegas will be my friend......

I won't be running that on a daily basis.....lol overkill......

Just something for the strip a few times a year....

Have faith..... 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

Don't forget guys.....for high hp figures......racegas will be my friend......

I won't be running that on a daily basis.....lol overkill......

Just something for the strip a few times a year....

Have faith..... 8)

Have you thought about a dual gas tank option? I think Robbie mentioned that to me one time when we were talking about race gas. Would actually be a cool setup.

I drive my car 20,000 miles a year..so no major mods for me. (like dual gas tanks)
Lookin forward to see the beast!

[Feedman]

Nah...not worth it.....

I'll just have a gallon of race gas on hand...... 8)

[Don juan futon]

no way anyone is going to hit 400 wheel hp, lucky to see 320 whp, 400 whp is alot to make out of 1.6 liters

Agreed (No offense)

[narfdanarf]

we'll see...i'm not saying 400whp...but at least 400 at the flywheel...

[Feedman]

no way anyone is going to hit 400 wheel hp, lucky to see 320 whp, 400 whp is alot to make out of 1.6 liters

Agreed (No offense)

None taken......

I don't understand how you guys can say that? It has been done many many times.....what makes you think I can't? Do you think I am incapable perhaps?

If it doesn't work out so be it....but @ least I am setting the bar high...good to have a goal.....

8)

[narfdanarf]

I don't understand how it would be hard at all honestly...I know of a lot of people making 500-600 hp on essentially the same setup 8) ...now what that setup is...who knows 8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

no way anyone is going to hit 400 wheel hp, lucky to see 320 whp, 400 whp is alot to make out of 1.6 liters

Agreed (No offense)

None taken......

I don't understand how you guys can say that? It has been done many many times.....what makes you think I can't? Do you think I am incapable perhaps?

If it doesn't work out so be it....but @ least I am setting the bar high...good to have a goal.....

8)
for the record I said "optimistic". However I think its always fun to see a small light car make lots of power. I hope you reach your goal!

[Don juan futon]

no way anyone is going to hit 400 wheel hp, lucky to see 320 whp, 400 whp is alot to make out of 1.6 liters

Agreed (No offense)

None taken......

I don't understand how you guys can say that? It has been done many many times.....what makes you think I can't? Do you think I am incapable perhaps?

If it doesn't work out so be it....but @ least I am setting the bar high...good to have a goal.....

8)

I'm really not trying to shoot you down here man, but for starters, I'm an engine builder. Based on WHAT you have to work with, which no, I don't have every single detail, but a baseline of a 1.6, with a small turbo you aren't going to be making anywhere near 350 horsepower. What kind of pistons, crank, etc. do you have? You can't just slap shit together and expect to make over 400 hp out of a 4 cylinder. Your cylinder walls aren't even thick enough to handle that man. IF you did, you'd throw a rod straight through the block. I'm not saying it's not POSSIBLE, but unless you want to spend an upwards of 20,000 dollars, don't get your hopes up. You didn't even balance anything on your bottom end. Not much of a common practice on an inline, however, if you plan on making an upwards of 300 hp out of it, then you best damn want to. Also, what are you running for piston rings? Stock rings? Good luck. They'll flutter probably above 275. I bet they're probably 1mm rings. I'm really not trying to be an asshole man. I'm just telling you the facts.

[Don juan futon]

I don't understand how it would be hard at all honestly...I know of a lot of people making 500-600 hp on essentially the same setup 8) ...now what that setup is...who knows 8)

I don't think you do. A 1.6L si?

[narfdanarf]

not exactly a small turbo, not exactly stock rings...people make 400 hp all day long on stock sleeves...where are you getting your info mr. all knowing.

You people around here are obviously completely clueless as to what can be done. I suppose you would say that 300 hp is not possible out of a d16 too. I know people who have made that on a d15. And when I say people, I'm not talking about a handful.

[Smooth_Puddin]

I really do respect a guy who does his own work. Seems like things are going smoothly. Good luck

[Don juan futon]

not exactly a small turbo, not exactly stock rings...people make 400 hp all day long on stock sleeves...where are you getting your info mr. all knowing.

You people around here are obviously completely clueless as to what can be done. I suppose you would say that 300 hp is not possible out of a d16 too. I know people who have made that on a d15. And when I say people, I'm not talking about a handful.

Mr. Know all? Never said I did. Actually smartass, I spent 2 years at the University of Northwestern Ohio ACTUALLY BUILDING engines instead of sitting on the computer reading about them. So don't tell me I don't know my shit, because you don't even want to test me. And you're right, you can make 300 hp on stock sleeves. This is a 1.6L. Maybe YOU are mr. clueless. If you know so much tell me how you're going to make 400 whp out of this engine.

[Don juan futon]

OH, and still make it a good daily driver.

[Don juan futon]

not exactly a small turbo, not exactly stock rings...people make 400 hp all day long on stock sleeves...where are you getting your info mr. all knowing.

You people around here are obviously completely clueless as to what can be done. I suppose you would say that 300 hp is not possible out of a d16 too. I know people who have made that on a d15. And when I say people, I'm not talking about a handful.

Oh, and you said 500-600 whp on a 1.6. Ha ha. Now it's down to 300?

[Davis Silver Sti]

subscribing to thread...making popcorn*

[xjoewhitex]

subscribing to thread...making popcorn* scoot over... i want to watch to 8)

[superchargedgsr]

swwweeeet

[Feedman]

Hmm...where do I start......??


First off....Don Juan.....I appreciate the constructive criticism.....

No hard feelings.....I think I saw you @ Walmart on Saturday...evening time....if it was you...the car looks clean.... :thumbup:


Smooth Pudding: Thanks. Doing all your own work, makes you appreciate what you have, inside and out.....



Everyone seems to be concerned about my sleeves. Thanks but stock sleeves can handle a good deal of horsepower.....

Horsepower doesn't kill sleeves, detonation and lack of tuning does.....lets get that straight....

As far as my setup is concerned....I am not using stock sleeves, stock pistons, stock rods or even a "small turbo". So that should clear up a few misunderstandings.

Tuning = Standalone by a competent tuner.

When everyone tells me I can't...it makes me want to work harder and be smarter to accomplish my goals....

I will briefly touch on the daily driver issue.....2 WORDS....boost controller.

Just b/c a vehicle is capable of 400whp doesn't mean I will be @ that level each and every day....around town I have a very conservative # in mind....


Carry on..... 8)

[narfdanarf]

I never said you were didn't know anything...all I said was that you obviously had no clue about what goals were attainable with a b16...you can say it's not going to happen, but it's been done more than your mom. I said 300whp on a d16, which is about the limit of stock sleeves on a d16...b16 is much higher...I was merely comparing the two engines, and your lack of knowledge of their potential. It doesn't matter if you went two fucking years to some car school, there is no reason to act all high and mighty, there are always going to be people that know more than you. There is no reason to be offended, you said it was impossible, and I said you were clueless and a moron...I think that is a fair assumption since you really don't know, expecially since your logic was "it's a 1.6L"....I know someone who is pushing 400hp on a 1.3L...and not it's not a rotary engine.

[Don juan futon]

I never said you were didn't know anything...all I said was that you obviously had no clue about what goals were attainable with a b16...you can say it's not going to happen, but it's been done more than your mom. I said 300whp on a d16, which is about the limit of stock sleeves on a d16...b16 is much higher...I was merely comparing the two engines, and your lack of knowledge of their potential. It doesn't matter if you went two fudge years to some car school, there is no reason to act all high and mighty, there are always going to be people that know more than you. There is no reason to be offended, you said it was impossible, and I said you were clueless and a moron...I think that is a fair assumption since you really don't know, expecially since your logic was "it's a 1.6L"....I know someone who is pushing 400hp on a 1.3L...and not it's not a rotary engine.

Ohhhhh so that's how it is? For starters man, I never said I know everything, but I can tell you when YOU are wrong and the only other person in here who seems to have any idea of WHAT is capable is ben. And well adam. Now second, you want to say shit about my mother? For your information my mother is dead and has been for a number of years, so if you want to start talkin shit on the internet then let's talk off the internet. You're going to say that to the wrong person one day and if you want that to be me, then so be it. I'll take care of ya! :shock:
Now second, I never heard how you plan on building 400 hp out of this engine, genuis. Let's hear some of your engine building skills. It's a 1.6. Not a very big engine, nor is capable of handling over 20 psi without extreme modifications. And if you read back in my thread I never said it wasn't possible. I just said he's going to have to spend money. NOw like I said, if you want to question my engine building skills, then let's hear it because I'll knock you right back down boy. Infact, I bet you can't even read a micrometer. Oh and you're right, there will always be people that know more than me. That's what makes this industry so fun. But I can tell you one thing, YOU are not one of those people.

[Don juan futon]

Hmm...where do I start......??


First off....Don Juan.....I appreciate the constructive criticism.....

No hard feelings.....I think I saw you @ Walmart on Saturday...evening time....if it was you...the car looks clean.... :thumbup:


Smooth Pudding: Thanks. Doing all your own work, makes you appreciate what you have, inside and out.....



Everyone seems to be concerned about my sleeves. Thanks but stock sleeves can handle a good deal of horsepower.....

Horsepower doesn't kill sleeves, detonation and lack of tuning does.....lets get that straight....

As far as my setup is concerned....I am not using stock sleeves, stock pistons, stock rods or even a "small turbo". So that should clear up a few misunderstandings.

Tuning = Standalone by a competent tuner.

When everyone tells me I can't...it makes me want to work harder and be smarter to accomplish my goals....

I will briefly touch on the daily driver issue.....2 WORDS....boost controller.

Just b/c a vehicle is capable of 400whp doesn't mean I will be @ that level each and every day....around town I have a very conservative # in mind....


Carry on..... 8)

And now to reply to your message, sorry man. Reading back at my post before, it does seem as though I came off as an asshole and it really wasn't meant to be that way. I was just simply stating. So hopefully, no hard feelings on that end. And yes, you did see me at walmart. Just got back from canada and needed to run some errands. You're not who I spoke to in the parking lot, are you?

Okay, now to touch on your engine issues, horsepower WILL kill a sleeve. I've seen numerous instances. You're right, detonation will definately contribute, but if you run too thin of sleeves on something with a high enough compression and power stroke then you will definately crack a sleeve. Interested to hear what you ARE running. I didn't say you weren't going to get a huge gain in horsepower, but if you are looking into more than 300, then you're really going to need a huge pocket of money. ALways good to shoot high, but I think 400 is a little out of reach.

[narfdanarf]

I talked about your mommy as a figure of speech, although I figure you might not have had time in your big college to learn about things like that. You obviously know how to build an engine, and I'm not doubting your skills, butt you also seems you have no clue about what's going on in the Honda engine building world, if you say it's going to take a lot to put a b16 into the 400 hp area....it can and will be done. We are not comparing skills, I'm saying we are building a 400 hp b16, you say it can't be done, we are going to, so that must mean our skills are better than yours. As far as my skills comparing to yours, I worked with Ray's Engineering of Cleveland building big blocks for real race cars on and off for 2 years....that's 2 years of hands on experience vs. your two years of school work....I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over your ignorant comment. Maybe you should do a little research though before you go saying shit can't be done.

[superchargedgsr]

No Master Mechanic here...like both Justin and Adam, don't really know Mr. Futon...

But Has Justin not blown up alot or cars? or don't they always breakdown? maybe thats someone else on here...have not really seen any cars justin has "built"...

And were you guys not saying Adam would have 230-240 whp when we went to the dyno before???

maybe I'm off base on all this, eh'...

[RobbieNelson]

You guys are good internet arguers! Were you guys on the debate team in high school? If I ever get into a non-movFast forum argument... I hope you guys come and "get my back".

<Napolian Dynamite voice> G0D... just let it die would ya </voice>

Within a couple of months the truth will come out.

[Feedman]

Within a couple of months the truth will come out.


Yes it will...... 8)



As far as dumping $20k into my car....lol.....WAAY far from that..... 8)

[narfdanarf]

not so much the truth, but the results maybe....the truth is that many people daily drive 400 hp 1.6's all the time.

As far as my cars blowing up, I just buy shitty cars, and they blow up, then I buy another one, cause they are cheap. The only reason I'm rebuilding the talon is cause I still owe a little on it, and I figure I might as well drive it, if i'm paying for it....and it's going to be stock.


as far as our guesses on Adam's car, you heard the guy say he couldn't tune it...which is pretty obvious now that's it's blown to hell...and he put down like 190 something, so that's prolly somewhere around 230 or so to the flywheel....you also know that on the way home it was quite a bit more than 190 with the aid of his intercooler, cause he was completely raping you with an extra person in his car, and without a carbon fiber headliner, and you put down over 200.

btw, i'm only in town for another week, you or jay should get ahold of me so we can do somethin 8) play pool or whatever.

[Jay]

I have yet to see a turbo civic that wasent a tinker toy.. i know ppl from here to jersey that have them, an all of them say the same thing 'these cars just werent designed to have what we do to them done'

im sure im gona get 30 arguements on this about how well it wasent done right did they do this or that who did it bla bla.. fact is no matter who does it, its the same. domestics arent any different.. you do the average bolt-on's an you gain a lil bit, free up some hp perhaps, but once you go tearing into stuff it becomes an ongoing process.. there's a 68 twin turbo nova in town with i believe a built 327ci. motor an it breaks more than it runs from what i hear.

stock = reliability

modified = less reliable for case of pushing something beyond where it was sposed to run


Thank you, Thank you.. I'll be here all week
*bows*

[Jay]

You guys are good internet arguers! Were you guys on the debate team in high school? If I ever get into a non-movFast forum argument... I hope you guys come and "get my back".




Would we have to wear those gay sweater-vest things?

[narfdanarf]

noone is arguing that ol'buddy. :D ...btw let me know when the Green Fairy arrives...I'll make a special trip in from college 8)

[Feedman]

I have yet to see a turbo civic that wasent a tinker toy.. i know ppl from here to jersey that have them, an all of them say the same thing 'these cars just werent designed to have what we do to them done'

im sure im gona get 30 arguements on this about how well it wasent done right did they do this or that who did it bla bla.. fact is no matter who does it, its the same. domestics arent any different.. you do the average bolt-on's an you gain a lil bit, free up some hp perhaps, but once you go tearing into stuff it becomes an ongoing process.. there's a 68 twin turbo nova in town with i believe a built 327ci. motor an it breaks more than it runs from what i hear.

stock = reliability

modified = less reliable for case of pushing something beyond where it was sposed to run


Thank you, Thank you.. I'll be here all week
*bows*


There is some truth to what you posted....ANY time you change what the factory intended you take fate into your hands.....

Fortunatly for me...I don't believe in Fate.... 8)

[narfdanarf]

I'm such a good engine builder I knew to go with a cross drilled timing belt :lol: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 02529&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38656&item=7943102529&rd=1) It's only rated for plus 40 hp, but I think we can put some WD-40 on it and get it up to around 50 or so.

[Jay]

thats friggin awesome

[narfdanarf]

I'm such a good engine builder I knew to go with a cross drilled timing belt :lol: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 02529&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38656&item=7943102529&rd=1) It's only rated for plus 40 hp, but I think we can put some WD-40 on it and get it up to around 50 or so.


500 whp here I come..... 8)

[ben2000formula]

There is no way your car is going to hold up like that on stock sleeves, i respecting everything done to car and i know it is going to be fast so we'll just have to see 8)

[superchargedgsr]

well I dont recall me running my car all to hell like he was...but anyway if is car is faster? point is what?? I never said mine was faster??? guess maybe "you" telling me Adam's car is faster, makes you feel better?? maybe you should run me with your own car...

and was adam not running 9psi? compared to my 5psi?? so by all means shouldn't he of "raped" me

[Don juan futon]

There is no way your car is going to hold up like that on stock sleeves, i respecting everything done to car and i know it is going to be fast so we'll just have to see 8)

Thank you god!!! Someone else has an idea.

[narfdanarf]

well I dont recall me running my car all to hell like he was...but anyway if is car is faster? point is what?? I never said mine was faster??? guess maybe "you" telling me Adam's car is faster, makes you feel better?? maybe you should run me with your own car...

and was adam not running 9psi? compared to my 5psi?? so by all means shouldn't he of "raped" me

I don't have a car to run 8) ,what would you run anyway, your trailblazer?

anyway you missed the point entirely, You said something about adam's car not making the hp we predicted last time, but I believe it was due to his intercooler not being effective on the dyno...that's all I was getting at.

btw I thought you had a 8lb pulley on there?

[Feedman]

btw I thought you had a 8lb pulley on there?


He did....but I recall him not getting any more than 6lbs.....Btw...Jason did you ever figure out what was causing that?

I hit 8psi.....peaked @ 9 and held steady @ 8psi all the way to redline.....


Regardless what #'s my engine produces, I won't be driving with it @ full boost....again, just b/c an engine is capable of XXX power...doesn't mean you have to run it @ that....this is what makes turbo cars so fun...you have so much control over what you use.....daily driving it, I will only be a fraction of max boost......250-300hp.....any more than that on street tires and all I'm gonna see it smoke....

I don't understand what everyones hold up is....I made 200+ on a DIY kit....this time I am building the engine....getting it properly tuned, using great engine managemet. A turbo that doesn't hit its "sweet spot" until almost 25psi....so why is it so impossbile that I couldn't gain another 100-150 hp......??

Obviously I am not the first, nor the last to be undertaking such a task. I am follwing other peoples receipe for hp.....makes my job just a little bit easier.....X+Y= Z. Simple......

Think about it..... 8) 8)

[superchargedgsr]

yeah I ordered an 8psi pulley and the douchebags at JR...sent me the wrong one...and now i have pretty much given up on the GSR...could build the bottom and get the 12psi pulley...but whats the point?



no, still got the POS gsr...buyer could not get a loan...so go figure...

[superchargedgsr]

hope you do adam...would be sweeeet....

be nice to see you smoke a certain evo on here 8)

[Feedman]

yeah I ordered an 8psi pulley and the douchebags at JR...sent me the wrong one...and now i have pretty much given up on the GSR...could build the bottom and get the 12psi pulley...but whats the point?



no, still got the POS gsr...buyer could not get a loan...so go figure...

Really...I thought you sold it....Justin and I were just talking about it the other day.....

I thought long and hard about what I should do with my car....put it back to stock...build it etc....and I figured if I can swing it now I should....never know what the future holds...so if I have the opportunity now....I need to take advantage of it...... 8)

[superchargedgsr]

it was pretty much sold...his bank called mine, all that good stuff...but some rule about out of state titles or something dunno...sucked

[Davis Silver Sti]

I thought long and hard about what I should do with my car....put it back to stock...build it etc....and I figured if I can swing it now I should....never know what the future holds...so if I have the opportunity now....I need to take advantage of it...... 8)

Amen to that. Adam, you've made a great decision. You are jumping in with both feet and doing it!

I love being married and all (family, kids and stuff) but its really bad timing (at least for me) to go crazy on a car and mod it as there are many other priorities that have to be taken care of. Plus the fact that there is very very little time for me to work on a car for hours on end. (that's what Kurt is for :)

Not to sound like an old guy (althought it seems I'm the oldest on movfast) but if you are single, or do not have any kids, finished school/college stuff or other much higher priorities, get your fun modding stuff done now! You'll really enjoy it it. Plus that girlfriend/wife thing can always come later.

[narfdanarf]

I heard you were looking at mustangs 8) ..might be a little quicker than the ol' GSR...did you get your money back from the pulley you bought?

[Don juan futon]

I talked about your mommy as a figure of speech, although I figure you might not have had time in your big college to learn about things like that. You obviously know how to build an engine, and I'm not doubting your skills, butt you also seems you have no clue about what's going on in the Honda engine building world, if you say it's going to take a lot to put a b16 into the 400 hp area....it can and will be done. We are not comparing skills, I'm saying we are building a 400 hp b16, you say it can't be done, we are going to, so that must mean our skills are better than yours. As far as my skills comparing to yours, I worked with Ray's Engineering of Cleveland building big blocks for real race cars on and off for 2 years....that's 2 years of hands on experience vs. your two years of school work....I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over your ignorant comment. Maybe you should do a little research though before you go saying shit can't be done.

ACtually my school was hands on. I worked in two machine shops that are nicer than any machine shop in this area period. As well as built aluminum blocks and heads for top fuel drags and arcas, so if you REALLY want to get into that, we can. And NEVER did I say it wasn't POSSIBLE! Read back in all my posts. It's possible. But like I said, you're going to need more than just a bigger turbo to make 400 hp period! And it started out with 400 WHP now it's down to the crank. Possible at the crank. Once again, just needs more than a turbo and if you plan on running ANYTHING with 400 hp let alone a 4 cylinder more than a couple runs, you better have that bottom end built right, but I geuss you would know all about that right. You know about balancing, you know about a crosshatch hone on your cylinder walls, you know about building up sleeves, right? No, I highly doubt it. So once these numbers come out, then we'll see what happens. Then we'll see who's right. I really do wish adam good luck. I was only trying to help with my first comment. But for your sake, you need to learn that just because you THINK you know and because you read the internet 24/7 doesn't mean you know HOW to build horsepower. That's the difference between you and I!

[Feedman]

I really hope it holds together...this is my first attempt @ building an engine...from the inside out...so we will see what happens....

As long as it is stronger and a little quicker than what it was before...I will be happy....

400whp just seemed like a realistic goal.....I would rather make 300whp and have it last for as long as I own the car, then make 400whp and have it break down on me in 6 months.....

Its all in fun.....as far as knowledge goes...each to there own....you and Justin obviously know about engines/etc....lets leave it @ that.....

Back to me...lol.....I will post up when I travel to the dyno, which is still a few months out......maybe we can make a trek down as a group....I am not only building this for myself...but for movFast as a whole.....

Later on.....
8)

[Davis Silver Sti]

.I am not only building this for myself...but for movFast as a whole.....

Later on.....
8)

Cool! That means we get to drive it! Thanks, muhahahah

[superchargedgsr]

yah...either wanna get a mustang and supercharge it...or get a prelude and completely build and turbo it...but who knows

like to get the new mazdaspeed 6 coming out soon

[superchargedgsr]

but 206 to the wheels @ 6psi in the ol gsr was not to bad